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Roof-Daddy · 12-01-2023, 01:27 PM

Regular Wrangler watchers...what's the prognostication on Kuznetzov? Is he looking like a future NHL defensive Dman?

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-01-2023, 01:35 PM

I love how many internal solutions the flames have uncovered.

At the start of camp no one could've predicted the flames were sitting on a lot of capable nhlers and guys that could slot in and do well in place of traded or injured regulars.

It gives a silver lining to the dark cloud this team was under. Things are much less bleak than we thought looking forward.

Even huberdeau is looking more like a player these days.

SuperMatt18 · 12-01-2023, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I love how many internal solutions the flames have uncovered.

At the start of camp no one could've predicted the flames were sitting on a lot of capable nhlers and guys that could slot in and do well in place of traded or injured regulars.

It gives a silver lining to the dark cloud this team was under. Things are much less bleak than we thought looking forward.

Even huberdeau is looking more like a player these days.

I'm not sure this is true...there is a reason people have been clamouring for some of the farm players to get a look these last couple seasons.

They've been one of the best teams in the AHL, while also being one of the youngest teams in the AHL. People have though that these guys need a look because generally if you look good and can win at the AHL level as a young player you can take that next step.

Gaskal · 12-01-2023, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Regular Wrangler watchers...what's the prognostication on Kuznetzov? Is he looking like a future NHL defensive Dman?

If it's any indication seems like its a yes so far

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...ect-for-flames

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“He does the little things in the hockey game that you almost want more guys to do,” added Solovyov’s bench boss, Mitch Love. “And I think we’ve seen that trust level and that growth in his game throughout the year, for him to earn more minutes and play on our top pair. (Dennis) Gilbert goes up and now we need another guy to kind of step into that role and they are very similar, those two players.

“This guy puts it on the line each and every night and his teammates love him, and I think that’s been real key. He senses that. He comes to the rink with the right attitude each day to get better, and I’ve seen a lot of growth in his game here this year. And even if you go back to last year, I’ve seen a ton of growth in him as a young player.”

stemit14 · 12-01-2023, 02:01 PM

There is a reason this team was recently praised as one of the best drafting teams of the last decade. They are finding hidden gems throughout the draft. It’s exciting to see young guys step in to the line up and contribute so well.

Roof-Daddy · 12-01-2023, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

If it's any indication seems like its a yes so far

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...ect-for-flames

My question was about Kuznetsov, not Solovyov but thanks. My bad for asking about a different player in the Solovyov thread.

devo22 · 12-01-2023, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stemit14

There is a reason this team was recently praised as one of the best drafting teams of the last decade. They are finding hidden gems throughout the draft. It’s exciting to see young guys step in to the line up and contribute so well.

they've done pretty well. Which is a.) a good sign for the future if they correctly move the upcoming UFAs for more picks, and b.) also a bit frustrating in hindsight because they unnecessarily traded away so many picks under Treliving.

PeteMoss · 12-01-2023, 02:30 PM

I have never seen this guy play.. so I have no opinion of him. But I felt I should post here none the less.

Gaskal · 12-01-2023, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

My question was about Kuznetsov, not Solovyov but thanks. My bad for asking about a different player in the Solovyov thread.

Oops, I can't read today

Wrong dman

Yan seems to be in the lineup for every game. He's still younger by Solo by a couple years despite being a higher pick so the idea seems to be to give him a lot of minutes and to gradually increase his role and to build his confidence. With Poirer out for months, Gilbert/Oesterle with the big club and now Solo getting the call up, I imagine Yan gets a much bigger role right away. Solo was playing the tough matchups and I imagine Kuznetsov gets them now (he's also a big defensive dman)

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/no-easy-days

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The 21-year-old says he feels ready to take on more of a leadership role with the group this year, and is eager to pass on what he’s learned to his younger counterparts.

“It’s my third time at rookie camp, so I have a little more experience than some of the guys,” he said. “It’s definitely an honour to wear an ‘A’ and I’m just trying to help the younger guys adapt to the level of play and also just enjoy the short tournament.”

Kuznetsov was a big contributor to the AHL Wranglers success last season, helping them capture the MacGregor Kilpatrick Trophy as the top regular-season team (106), while boasting the league’s best penalty-kill.

The call ups have a ripple effect - not only are you creating space for some promising rookies on your NHL squad, but certain prospects remaining in the A that might not have gotten opportunity previously can get their moment to try and shine.

bigpete · 12-01-2023, 04:47 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...ccc74511&ei=19

You can just feel the excitement from these young guys. Here's a quote I liked from Solo when he didn't make it out of the airport and had to fly back to Calgary:

“Our AHL staff helped me grab my bags and sticks and shoes and that kind of stuff and helped me put it on the check-in spot and check onto the plane,” Solovyov said, shouting out the Wranglers’ video coach and director of team services. “Daniel Johnston, he was like my mommy. He just got me on the hand and went with me everywhere and said ‘This is your spot. You can go.'”

D as in David · 12-01-2023, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The Belorussian Zadorov.

The bella, bella russian Zadorov!

Caged Great · 12-01-2023, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Regular Wrangler watchers...what's the prognostication on Kuznetzov? Is he looking like a future NHL defensive Dman?

From what I've seen yes although not immediately. Probably will be more of a depth guy because his lack of offense. However, if he becomes a steady #4/5 that would be perfect.

How would you say, at all the regular intervals, he has gotten better at each stage and hasn't plateaued at any part which is key. Just need to wait and see if he levels off eventually or continues to get better as time goes on. Getting more of an opportunity in the A will help him immensely and be able to sort his eventual trajectory more quickly (he'll rise or he won't and that will answer things either way).

Jiri Hrdina · 12-01-2023, 05:01 PM

Generally I think you should use the draft to get guys with upside. However, there is value in guys coming up that can fill bottom 6/bottom pairing roles so you don't have to trade draft capital to get those guys (like this organization has been doing for so long).
A healthy pipeline sustains itself because you don't have to trade picks to fill your roster, so you have more picks to keep the pipeline active.
Similarly the deficit spending is a vicious negative cycle.

looooob · 12-01-2023, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Generally I think you should use the draft to get guys with upside. However, there is value in guys coming up that can fill bottom 6/bottom pairing roles so you don't have to trade draft capital to get those guys (like this organization has been doing for so long).
A healthy pipeline sustains itself because you don't have to trade picks to fill your roster, so you have more picks to keep the pipeline active.
Similarly the deficit spending is a vicious negative cycle.

and without beating a dead horse, you have to eventually have some faith in your in house solutions (which I get is part of the feedback cycle) and try them out as opposed to assume they can't be good because they are under 30 and haven't played 200 mediocre games in the NHL previously

Goriders · 12-01-2023, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

It depends on the severity of the injury, but skate lacerations requiring surgery are usually around a 3 or 4 month recovery time. I'd be surprised to see him back before the end of January. It could be perfect timing though, a few weeks with the Wranglers to get back up to speed, then join the Flames around the trade deadline after Tanev and Hanifin are moved.

If it was his wrist and there was nerve damage this is correct.

Goriders · 12-01-2023, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

the possibility of Kyllington returning gives the Flames a lot of options, It feels to me like a best case with respect to moving Hanifin and Tanev.

Is there any indication he’s coming back?

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-01-2023, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm not sure this is true...there is a reason people have been clamouring for some of the farm players to get a look these last couple seasons.

They've been one of the best teams in the AHL, while also being one of the youngest teams in the AHL. People have though that these guys need a look because generally if you look good and can win at the AHL level as a young player you can take that next step.

Having a good AHL team doesn't necessarily mean its chock full of NHLers. A lot of times it's just a good mix of guys that work and are well coached (or have an elite goalie).

And those good & even great AHLers definitely don't always translate. I'd maybe estimate it's roughly 30% of really good AHLers that stick as NHLers and make impacts (not just one and done). There are a lot of career AHLers or guys that top out there even though they excel at that level and give the impression like they could be more. Flames have gone through loads of those players over the years, mind you they didn't give looks nearly as much as they are now

I was high on Zary but many people would not have pegged both him and Pospisil to be capable of 2nd line NHL roles this year. And Solovyov's stock rose very quickly and was also somewhat unexpected.

I think the original point holds.

No one expected the transition to be this seamless for those guys and for them to take key roles from vets.

Goriders · 12-01-2023, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Regular Wrangler watchers...what's the prognostication on Kuznetzov? Is he looking like a future NHL defensive Dman?

I thought Kuznetzov was the best player at the young stars tourney. I hope they give him a chance at some point. He was super smooth.

Goriders · 12-01-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I love how many internal solutions the flames have uncovered.

At the start of camp no one could've predicted the flames were sitting on a lot of capable nhlers and guys that could slot in and do well in place of traded or injured regulars.

It gives a silver lining to the dark cloud this team was under. Things are much less bleak than we thought looking forward.

Even huberdeau is looking more like a player these days.

The young guns have been or best players at times. Especially when we were on skid row.

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-01-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

The young guns have been or best players at times. Especially when we were on skid row.

Literally turned the season around. All started with Zary's 1st period and goal against Dallas two days after the Hemorrhoid Classic.