[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The Canucks.

Lol.

If they make the playoffs they are up against Las Vegas or Los Angeles, who will take care of them. And even if they beat one of them, the other one will be waiting in the wings.

Zadorov isn't signing there unless they overpay. Thanks for the picks!

Zadorov is not some kind of hot commodity

He will sign with whoever pays him

[Jiggy]

For the people complaining that the return is bad. I'm curious to know what your expectation was?

I was hoping for a second round pick but I'm not upset with a 3rd a d 5th. Most drafts a 3rd and 5th can get you into the second round.

I liked Zad, but he's a bottom pairing guy. I'm not sure why people would expect a big return for him.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Retention on Hanifin and Lindholm seems like an inevitability. Conroy even addressing this (not retaining on Zadorov) seems like the Flames are wide open on that topic.

If I were a betting man I'd bet that of the two only Hanifin gets traded. Flames managed to win themselves back into sniffing distance of the playoffs... given this team's natural proclivities I think they talk themselves into trying to keep a foot in both ends of the water.

[Slanter]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Remember when we had to trade a 1st round pick to clear 6.5 mil. Gaining almost 4 mil in cap space is a huge win. Just have to use it.

Use it for what? Genuinely asking. Didn't hear the full Conroy interview. Haven't read through this entire thread. I don't understand why cap space is valuable for the Flames now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Parallex

If I were a betting man I'd bet that of the two only Hanifin gets traded. Flames managed to win themselves back into sniffing distance of the playoffs... given this team's natural proclivities I think they talk themselves into trying to keep a foot in both ends of the water.

I'd go the other way. I could see them trying to get Hanifin back to table if the team is on a run and still trading Lindholm

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Use it for what? Genuinely asking. Didn't hear the full Conroy interview. Haven't read through this entire thread. I don't understand why cap space is valuable for the Flames now.

Take on a contract from another team for additional picks possibly (not in the interview but that is an option)

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Use it for what? Genuinely asking. Didn't hear the full Conroy interview. Haven't read through this entire thread. I don't understand why cap space is valuable for the Flames now.

Allows them to take money back to facilitate other trades.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

For the people complaining that the return is bad. I'm curious to know what your expectation was?

I was hoping for a second round pick but I'm not upset with a 3rd a d 5th. Most drafts a 3rd and 5th can get you into the second round.

I liked Zad, but he's a bottom pairing guy. I'm not sure why people would expect a big return for him.

Looking back, you can find people that thought he would fetch a 1st from a contender or at least a 2nd. There were also people that thought he is worth 4M long term

I am sure those people are disappointed

I thought zadorov sucks but I also thought some idiots were going to pay more for his size. I guess Treliving doesn’t have the money

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The only way I will change my mind on “underwhelming return” is if they use all 3 retention spots on later trades I have my serious doubts that they will. I’ll also add it better not be 5-10 % used if used. If they are doing it, go all in and do the max allowed.

I disagree with this idea. If 5, 10, 25% is what a team needs to fit the the deal, you do them the favour of the minimum you need too. Why give the other team extra flexibility while removing it from yourself?

If the other team wants to pay an extra premium for that extra space, sure, otherwise minimum retention to make it work…might need that space for next move!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Use it for what? Genuinely asking. Didn't hear the full Conroy interview. Haven't read through this entire thread. I don't understand why cap space is valuable for the Flames now.

Take contracts for picks

But more likely freedom to call up players

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

For the people complaining that the return is bad. I'm curious to know what your expectation was?

I was hoping for a second round pick but I'm not upset with a 3rd a d 5th. Most drafts a 3rd and 5th can get you into the second round.

I liked Zad, but he's a bottom pairing guy. I'm not sure why people would expect a big return for him.

Was hoping for a 2nd and a low level prospect, but I figured it’d probably be a 3rd and a prospect

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Was hoping for a 2nd and a low level prospect, but I figured it’d probably be a 3rd and a prospect

This is where I was at too. I figured Dhaliwal's mock trade was actually close to what would happen. A guy like Hoglander and a 3rd.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

For the people complaining that the return is bad. I'm curious to know what your expectation was?

I was hoping for a second round pick but I'm not upset with a 3rd a d 5th. Most drafts a 3rd and 5th can get you into the second round.

I liked Zad, but he's a bottom pairing guy. I'm not sure why people would expect a big return for him.

Ideal/good trade would have been a 2nd in 24 or 25
Okay trade 3rd in 24
Underwhelming trade 3rd in 26

Maybe this trade will look much better if that cap space is used to get a better deal on someone else though. Hopefully it's all part of Conroys master plan.

[Badgers Nose]

If Oesterle is the Z replacement and nothing else happens then it’s bad.

If the roster is improved with calls ups then it’s fine.

If the cap is somehow weaponized to get more talent or assets, then that is great.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Y’all need to chill. Let Connie cook. Let the team respond to the removal of a self centred non-contributor. Trades don’t reveal their worth for years.

[Toonage]

Speaking of call ups, I heard DeSimone was injured. Can anyone confirm that?

I expect if he isn't hurt he'll be called up today. Otherwise it would be Solovyov.

[PeteMoss]

As long as they use the cap space they gained wisely I'm fine with it.

Everyone is so tight to the cap a move like this put you in one of the better cap positions in the league outside of the terrible or super young teams.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Solovyov needs to be called up permanently. He deserves it.

Factor in that with the trade and it looks a lot better. We have a Z replacement, didn't have to take on retention, and got future picks. Everyone is freaking out about the 2026 pick but once we get to that draft we will be stoked we traded someone 3 years ago to obtain that draft capital.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

What if WSH offers you a haul for Lindholm, but only if you take Kuznetsov off their hands for example?

I hope the Flames take bad contracts back this year if it helps them get a much higher return.

That would work for me. But the Flames are almost certainly on Kuznetsov’s 10-team no-trade list.

[Britflamesfan]

So we give up a good serviceable player for a 3rd and a 5th. When you consider only 54% of 3rd picks get to play a single game in the NHL and only 34% of 5th round picks play a single game the chances of us picking up somebody who will turn out as good as big Z are pretty low. Poor trade in my books.