[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730386171996590556

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730386464028893535

Talk is cheap. We've seen this song and dance about "the value of cap space" before, and all they did was sit on it.

Conroy had better knock it out of the park with the remaining UFAs because he's all out of excuses now.

[Hackey]

Holy crap brutal return.

[Strange Brew]

If Dreger's speculation that a 2nd rounder was on the table closer to the deadline, then yeah Craig better put that space to use.

Sounds like he has some ideas, so we'll see. Don't know if he is thinking about taking on a bad contract to facilitate a deal?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If that's true I'd like to trade you a current year's 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th in two years.

Haha, well it is true but you still have to evaluate the picks. What you are giving isn't worth what I am giving. Try maybe in ten years, then you'll get those picks

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730375511397032115

[dino7c]

Teams pay 1sts to get rid of 5-6M in cap

Have to use it wisely though

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by nixon45

It's not at all surprising that a GM trained by a terrible GM is himself terrible.

Are you saying that based on this deal?

I have questions about Conroy for sure but this deal (and the Sharangovich deal) don’t really tell us much about his quality as a GM either way.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He was an RFA when the Flames got him not a UFA

He was, but why does it make a difference? He was an RFA whom you still had to sign, that was eligible for arbitration(I think his QO was around 3.5), and had 1 year of team control left.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It’s like investing. Money in the future is worth less than money now

Draft picks are not like money. Not even in the slightest.

- are not fungible.
- are not subject to inflation. They are not worth less over time.
- don't accumulate interest. Do you get 1.5 more picks over time in a draft market account?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

And soft

Eh. He wasn’t in the long term plans. Let someone else sign him to a crappy deal. He can be Vancouver’s next Myers

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I don't think Conroy dislikes our rivals enough. This is an issue.

If he did something like this with Edmonton we would have problems.

A hefty rival tax must exist. It must always exist.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Or ... he's been a bit of a problem in the locker room and you'd rather address it with something that is close. And before someone attacks me - I'm not saying he's a problem. Just saying that this return suggests that waiting until the trade deadline was not an option for this team.

Let's not be silly. Waiting is always better.

I happen to have a toothache right now. I could go and get it fixed, but I'm planning to wait three months because the dentist might offer me a better deal then.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In some ways Corey Perry allowed this trade to happen.

Feels like Canucks were likely offering the 3rd + Beauvillier, but Flames didn't want to take cap back.

Corey Perry gets drunk and does something stupid, which allows Chicago to terminate his contract, which opens up a roster spot and $4M in cap space for them to take on Beauvillier.

The Canucks then no longer need to shed cap as part of a Zadorov deal, and can move the 3rd and 5th for Zadorov.

Corey Perry getting drunk set the wheels for the trade in motion.

This has been a career week for the most valuable player in the NHL who has never suited up for a game. His name is Capellino Spacek, but everyone calls him Cap Space for short. Every GM wants him on the team, but no coach wants him in the lineup.

A few days ago, thanks to Corey Perry running out his welcome, the Blackhawks traded Perry for Space. They then turned around and traded Space and a fifth to the Canucks for Beauvillier. Now Space and the fifth, plus a future third, come to Calgary for Zadorov.

I hope Space travels light, because it would be a killer to pay excess baggage fees on all those flights. On the plus side, when he gets traded out of Calgary, he'll be able to pay for his next flight with frequent-flyer miles. I wonder if the fifth-round pick will travel with him.

Oh, and by the way:

This trade has been brought to you by Fifth Third Bank.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Woof. Really not sold on Conroy. This is Jay Feaster bad.

Wait so he paid a 3rd AND a 5th to get rid of Zadorov?

Jay Feaster cap management right there.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Draft picks are not like money. Not even in the slightest.

- are not fungible.
- are not subject to inflation. They are not worth less over time.
- don't accumulate interest. Do you get 1.5 more picks over time in a draft market account?

If a 3rd round pick makes it there is likely to be significant development time. The quicker the asset develops the more valuable it is to a team.

[Coach]

Damn. Z has been one of my favourite Flames since he arrived. I live in Van so maybe I’ll have to watch their games sometimes now.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730375511397032115

"Players upset"

Maybe they needed to get this guy out of the room more urgently than they were letting on.

But they also didn't want to give the impression that they could be pushed around by dealing him hours or days after the request.

Tough situation.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Draft picks are not like money. Not even in the slightest.

- are not fungible.
- are not subject to inflation. They are not worth less over time.
- don't accumulate interest. Do you get 1.5 more picks over time in a draft market account?

They're not exactly like money ofc. But a 1st round pick hundred years from doesn't have the same value as a 1st round pick now (to make the point). Time has value.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

He was, but why does it make a difference? He was an RFA whom you still had to sign, that was eligible for arbitration(I think his QO was around 3.5), and had 1 year of team control left.

RFAs always have more value than UFAs if they are comparable players. That control matters.

[Erick Estrada]

I hope this isn't a case of a rookie GM being taken advantage of by other GM's but the first two trades Conroy hasn't made the team better on paper and doesn't really look like it's moved the needle in regards to the future. I'm interested to see what he does with the cap space because it sounds like that cap space was worth a lesser return for his plan.

[Jetfire]

So we took less just to get him out of the room because Z's trade request turned things toxic towards him. I'm "meh" on this return, the extra cap is kinda nice, but we definitely need 1sts + for Hanifin/Lindholm.