[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd - Page 14 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

TrentCrimmIndependent · 11-30-2023, 05:32 PM

2026 for the 3rd eh.

I'm all about delaying gratification for the big picture but thats pushing it lol.

You're telling me no one had a 2024 3rd to pony up that wasn't a divisional rival? (Heck, maybe there wasnt)

Bonded · 11-30-2023, 05:32 PM

At least this means Francis is wrong as well. That’s always nice to see

butterfly · 11-30-2023, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMike

IOU - one 5th rounder. I swear I'm good for it.

I mean Chicago, not Vancouver. Didn't they already send that pick to Toronto in the Jake McCabe trade?

ben voyonsdonc · 11-30-2023, 05:33 PM

Lindholm and Hanifin are on pretty cheap deals that would be pro-rated so I don’t know if there would be a burning need to retain to move them. Tanev would make more sense for a retention.

If we retained and got a 3rd and 5th this year, I’d be happier with that…it’s still a pretty ####ty return though. At least you could use those assets for a variety of purposes but a 3rd in 2026 is useless IMO.

The only purpose for us to grab significant cap space is to take on a bad contract to get a better return in a trade. I don’t see any other need for it.

memphusk · 11-30-2023, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

You can't retain on everyone. They may want to retain on others instead, and get a bigger return. Makes sense, if that's the thinking.

Could retain and eat a ####ty contract to make the return better.

Gaskal · 11-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheKiprusoffResurrection

Positive is, despite winning a few games, Conroy appears to see the big picture. So that's a plus.

I think the real "big picture" test is if we unload the UFAs prior to the deadline and then somehow make the playoffs and win a round. Tre fell into that trap after 2014-15 and bet his chips on the current core at the time (Monahan-Gaudreau-Backlund-Bennett-BroDano).

Of course, we gotta make the dance first and win a round so... good problem to have I guess

gvitaly · 11-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

2026 for the 3rd eh.

I'm all about delaying gratification for the big picture but thats pushing it lol.

You're telling me no one had a 2024 3rd to pony up that wasn't a divisional rival? (Heck, maybe there wasnt)

It would be funny if TOR made a higher offer but it was Connie's FU to Brad for the mess he left here.

dino7c · 11-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I valued Z at a 2nd, because we paid a 3rd for an inferior D when we got him. A 3rd and a 5th is not terrible, but nothing to write home about.

I wish Conroy could get better returns in trades, but I hope he makes up for it by absolutely great drafting and development.

On the plus side we now have 5M of cap space + LTIR.

He was an RFA when the Flames got him not a UFA

Burning Beard · 11-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Brutal. Not a fan of this.

Bonded · 11-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memphusk

Could retain and eat a ####ty contract to make the return better.

Why do that on Zadorov though. He is the least valuable UFA

Goriders · 11-30-2023, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I valued Z at a 2nd, because we paid a 3rd for an inferior D when we got him. A 3rd and a 5th is not terrible, but nothing to write home about.

I wish Conroy could get better returns in trades, but I hope he makes up for it by absolutely great drafting and development.

On the plus side we now have 5M of cap space + LTIR.

That’s huge for flexibility

FlamesAddiction · 11-30-2023, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butterfly

I mean Chicago, not Vancouver. Didn't they already send that pick to Toronto in the Jake McCabe trade?

Chicago actually traded our 5th to Toronto, that we sent them for Carpenter...lol. Wow.

Edit: 5th rounder, not 3rd.

Flamesfan05 · 11-30-2023, 05:35 PM

lol why make the deal if this is all you can get

Guys like him get a 3rd easily at the TDL every year

Conroy lost another deal. Sad

Saqe · 11-30-2023, 05:35 PM

2026 third round pick has to be like a 4th or 5th round value right now. Pretty underwhelming, I guess if they had eaten salary the return would've been better.

dino7c · 11-30-2023, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

2026 for the 3rd eh.

I'm all about delaying gratification for the big picture but thats pushing it lol.

You're telling me no one had a 2024 3rd to pony up that wasn't a divisional rival? (Heck, maybe there wasnt)

Nobody had the cap and the offer

Goriders · 11-30-2023, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I think the real "big picture" test is if we unload the UFAs prior to the deadline and then somehow make the playoffs and win a round. Tre fell into that trap after 2014-15 and bet his chips on the current core at the time (Monahan-Gaudreau-Backlund-Bennett-BroDano).

Of course, we gotta make the dance first and win a round so... good problem to have I guess

Basically Nashville from last year

cannon7 · 11-30-2023, 05:36 PM

Pretty weak return, IMO, especially for a division rival?

TrentCrimmIndependent · 11-30-2023, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonded

At least this means Francis is wrong as well. That’s always nice to see

Haha this is a fun fact that went unnoticed.

Francis 100% wrong yet again, when faced with the a gaping net to get a prediction/"hunch" right he still somehow misses.

If there was any doubt still, when Francis declares something, the opposite is probably imminent/a guarantee.

Fourteen FTW · 11-30-2023, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sainters7

I don't get why you make this move in division, when that's the return. Were things really getting that bad behind the scenes that you just HAD to do this now at any cost?

Guessing this. Z and his agent ran their mouth off. It lowers trade value. He has not been great since then. Would have loved a 2nd and 5th. Or 3rd and 4th. He is on pace for 4 goals, 20 assists and a -24 rating lol.

He is a 18-22 point guy with a history of ok +\- and no powerplay ability.
He also plays fairly sheltered minutes and is not a shut down guy.

I think its a touch weak for the division rival team.

gvitaly · 11-30-2023, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Lindholm and Hanifin are on pretty cheap deals that would be pro-rated so I don’t know if there would be a burning need to retain to move them. Tanev would make more sense for a retention.

If we retained and got a 3rd and 5th this year, I’d be happier with that…it’s still a pretty ####ty return though. At least you could use those assets for a variety of purposes but a 3rd in 2026 is useless IMO.

The only purpose for us to grab significant cap space is to take on a bad contract to get a better return in a trade. I don’t see any other need for it.

That's true, but pro-rated doesn't works with LTIR, which 14/31 potential trade partners are using ATM.