11-30-2023, 04:18 PM
|
#81
|
Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Kelowna
Exp:  
|
Maybe Zadarov was a problem in the room and that was the best offer and Conroy had to move him.
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:18 PM
|
#82
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatLandFlamesFan
Holy crap our third pairing is gonna be not good , hopefully get very limited ice time
Gonna miss Z , he was a higlight reel all by himself , some good some bad
|
I don't know, I really like Solovyov and believe he's ready for a full time role with the big club.
Plus Gilbert and DeSimone and Oesterle can rotate easily.
__________________
"Everybody's so desperate to look smart that nobody is having fun anymore" -Jackie Redmond
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to dammage79 For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:18 PM
|
#83
|
Lifetime Suspension
|
I think people significantly overvalued what he would return.
He isn't that good and onto his 5th team now and never signed a deal longer than 2 years.
It sucks about the return but speaks to his value.
|
|
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Paulie Walnuts For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:19 PM
|
#84
|
First Line Centre
|
Horrible trade. Why would you make this trade in November?
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to DJones For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:19 PM
|
#85
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferarri
I would argue that Conroy undervalued Zadorov with that trade.
|
I don't know. It isn't like Vancouver came to the table with a couple thirds and Conroy held the line until a 5th and 3rd were on the table. I think it kind of says something that the return is something that Conroy had to work for. I think what it shows is that any cap space is a premium since so many are at or above the cap. I guess the good news is that the Flames should be able to leverage cap space they have to eat some salary to make something work.
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:20 PM
|
#86
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
We traded a 3rd for him originally, so he only improved his value by a 5th since then?
Really disappointing return.
|
Pending UFA looking for a big pay day, which is part of the equation.
I don't think it's a great return either though. I think they should have waited until closer to the deadline and some team likely would have over paid.
I am guessing his situation was becoming a bit of a distraction or something. I doubt the comradery between his teammates and Zadorov was great after the public trade request. You can thank his agent for this return.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:20 PM
|
#87
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
|
Please tell me Kylington is close or something because otherwise our blueline looks hot-awful.
__________________
The Beatings Shall Continue Until Morale Improves!
This Post Has Been Distilled for the Eradication of Seemingly Incurable Sadness.
The World Ends when you're dead. Until then, you've got more punishment in store. - Flames Fans
If you thought this season would have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
|
|
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Locke For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:20 PM
|
#88
|
Crash and Bang Winger
|
They can still sell off the cap space for another draft pick, say that gets us 2nd or 3rd? 2 3rds and a 5th? Meanwhile the team gets worse, and our 1st round pick gets better. Increases the value for Tanev with Zadorov off the market aswell.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Braden For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:21 PM
|
#89
|
First Line Centre
|
Underwhelmed but with what Beauvillier went for we shouldn't be overly surprised.
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:21 PM
|
#90
|
Crash and Bang Winger
|
Interesting that a top 5 player from Seravelli's trade bait list would go for a 5th and a 3rd 3 years from now, if that doesn't seem like underpayment idk what to tell you. Zadorov is what playoff contenders salivate for at the deadline, if he asked for a trade so what? Maximize value you owe him nothing.
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:21 PM
|
#91
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
|
2 picks for a disgruntled 5-6 Dman with a public trade request isn’t that bad. Especially with no retention or another contract this way. Z’s a very popular player due to his personality but that also makes people overrate what is really there. We were never going to get a 1st+ for him.
__________________
"Illusions Michael, tricks are something a wh*re does for money ....... or cocaine"
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:21 PM
|
#92
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
|
Let's use last couple trade deadline as a comparison:
Kulikov for McGinn, 3rd
Luke Schenn for 3rd
Kulak for 2nd, 7th, Lagesson
Justin Braun for 3rd
Travis Dermott for 3rd
Hamonic for 3rd
Personally feel like Zadorov should have returned at least a 2nd, he's better than the guys that returned a 3rd here.
No idea why you're making this trade now and not just waiting...unless you have another deal where you're taking on cap for some reason.
|
|
|
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to SuperMatt18 For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:21 PM
|
#93
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Huge positive. The winning lately hasn't fooled Conroy into trying to hold fast.
This is a good signal that he knows this team is not good enough.
|
Yes, this is how I am viewing this positively. I am completely underwhelmed by the trade value, but I like the sign that adding draft picks signals. No roster players.
|
|
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Ashasx For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:22 PM
|
#94
|
#1 Goaltender
|
What were people expecting? a 2nd? 3rd and a 5th is close to that. Is it the Hawks 5th? Basically a 4th if so.
The win is he pulls off the trade this early rather than waiting to see if we can "make the playoffs"
What's the difference in drafting 40-60 overall vs 60 to 80?
Selling now can help this franchise much more than drafting 50th overall vs 70th overall.
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:22 PM
|
#95
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
|
Let's not forget Zads requested a trade. And was probably making a stink about it.
__________________
"Everybody's so desperate to look smart that nobody is having fun anymore" -Jackie Redmond
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:22 PM
|
#96
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
|
He didn't want to be in the room, he tanked his own value when his agent went public. This return isn't surprising.
|
|
|
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to habernac For This Useful Post:
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:22 PM
|
#97
|
Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
|
I have to wonder if this was the best Conroy could get.
__________________
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:23 PM
|
#98
|
Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: The Wranglers game, heckling Kevin
|
zadorov can go take a long walk on a short dock for making it public he wanted out, forcing our hand and reducing his value. Buddy was worth a second at least. Brutal.
Sent from my SM-S908W using Tapatalk
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:23 PM
|
#99
|
First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Calgary
|
Pick value aside, regular defenceman for futures doesn’t scream “playoffs at all costs”.
Should provide some comfort they won’t walk the big boys to UFA. Unless we are freeing up cap space for a bigger “win now” deal. That’d be bad.
|
|
|
11-30-2023, 04:23 PM
|
#100
|
Franchise Player
|
Treliving couldn't beat this return? lol
__________________
Peter12 "I'm no Trump fan but he is smarter than most if not everyone in this thread. ”
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:36 AM.
|
|