[News] Chicago terminating Perry's contract

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I've never understood (nor tried to look into) why he was in NHL jail in the first place?

Violating the league's substance abuse policy. His substance abuse came to a head after getting into a fight at a bar in Columbus, and he was suspended by the league and entered rehab. He had trouble demonstrating that he was clean for quite some time after that.

These days, I think the league and NHLPA would have taken a softer approach.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I've never understood (nor tried to look into) why he was in NHL jail in the first place?

When he was in Chicago, he was suspended for substance abuse but instead of entering the NHL's program he just ended his career with the suspension. A suspended player can't collect a pension, I believe.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If I am reading that ESPN report correctly the incident happened during the day, so unless he got intoxicated during the day it seems like the inappropriate touching seems unlikely.

[kermitology]

I'm not sure why his being intoxicated would be the only precursor to inappropriate touching. #### Corey Perry.

[PeteMoss]

Overly online people are just searching around for any female that Perry may have harassed and giving names to it. People abhor an information vacuum so others can make things up and people believe it, even though its often about as reliable as the guy standing on the corner holding a sign that says the world is ending.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I'm not sure why his being intoxicated would be the only precursor to inappropriate touching. #### Corey Perry.

The rumour is he got intoxicated and touched someone.

I mean he doesn't have to be, but just taking a guess based on the time frame.

[bluejays]

Not that anyone should be fully trusted but the GM said it wasn’t a police matter. So touching and sexual harassment would be ruled out no? My bet is giving someone a tongue lashing beyond what’s acceptable in a company. Not sure why the GM was fake crying but this is the only thing reasonable I can see.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Not that anyone should be fully trusted but the GM said it wasn’t a police matter. So touching and sexual harassment would be ruled out no? My bet is giving someone a tongue lashing beyond what’s acceptable in a company. Not sure why the GM was fake crying but this is the only thing reasonable I can see.

1) There harassment can be extremely bad and not *technically* criminal or be able to be prosecuted because of various barriers and challenges in the system.

2) I really think the emotions were about wearing the rumor about family of the team and cheating etc.

3)Considering their recent history the Hawks are going to take any sort of bad workplace behavior extremely seriously. As should all teams. Maybe 15 years ago you give a tongue lashing, but it probably should have been more then imo.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Not that anyone should be fully trusted but the GM said it wasn’t a police matter. So touching and sexual harassment would be ruled out no? My bet is giving someone a tongue lashing beyond what’s acceptable in a company. Not sure why the GM was fake crying but this is the only thing reasonable I can see.

Could be consensual touching but with a person the club deems inappropriate to do so with.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Not that anyone should be fully trusted but the GM said it wasn’t a police matter. So touching and sexual harassment would be ruled out no? My bet is giving someone a tongue lashing beyond what’s acceptable in a company. Not sure why the GM was fake crying but this is the only thing reasonable I can see.

Don't think he was "fake crying" but he WAS clearly extremely uncomfortable.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

1) There harassment can be extremely bad and not *technically* criminal or be able to be prosecuted because of various barriers and challenges in the system.

2) I really think the emotions were about wearing the rumor about family of the team and cheating etc.

3)Considering their recent history the Hawks are going to take any sort of bad workplace behavior extremely seriously. As should all teams. Maybe 15 years ago you give a tongue lashing, but it probably should have been more then imo.

Agree on number one but that would be for the justice system to determine right? So if there was something like touching the team would naturally call the police to be involved I’d think. Reference to the tongue lashing, I was simply guessing he told someone off with expletives or in a degrading manner. That seems to check off the boxes given the clues.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If I am reading that ESPN report correctly the incident happened during the day, so unless he got intoxicated during the day it seems like the inappropriate touching seems unlikely.

Doesn't say anything about timing of the incident just the timeline of them findoing otu and pulling Perry midgame.



Davidson said the team was first notified of the allegations last week when the Blackhawks were in Columbus, Ohio, on Wednesday to play the Blue Jackets. Sources told ESPN's Emily Kaplan that Perry indeed traveled with the team to Columbus last Tuesday, a day before the game, and an incident occurred that day involving a team employee. Davidson said Perry, who did not play in the team's 7-3 loss, was "immediately pulled" from the game once the Blackhawks were notified, and at that point, the club began an investigation.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Agree on number one but that would be for the justice system to determine right? So if there was something like touching the team would naturally call the police to be involved I’d think. Reference to the tongue lashing, I was simply guessing he told someone off with expletives or in a degrading manner. That seems to check off the boxes given the clues.

I'd imagine players swear at each other all the time. Was he racist? Bigoted? Etc? Hard to imagine they make that public and get rid of the guy so fast and act all emotional about it.

The hot mic catches an occasional 'you are dead' during a game, so that isn't a big deal.

I mean this is the Blackhawks. They tried to cover up actual sexual abuse, and now they took Perry to the woodshed and pulled the trigger.

[Jason14h]

People do realize sexual harassment can happen and police not called right ?

He could have slapped someone’s rear thinking he was hilarious . The person could have reported him for being a creep and completely inappropriate behavior but not cared to waste their time calling the cops

Do you really think most sexual harassment claims in business have the cops called ?

[sureLoss]

from dailyfaceoff:

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/bl...ain-unanswered

According to sources, an alcohol-fueled incident involving Perry was alleged to have occurred in Nashville on Nov. 17, the night prior to Chicago’s game against the Predators, during a Blackhawks-organized corporate event that included sponsors and team employees in attendance. It remains unclear what allegedly took place, who witnessed it, and who reported it to the team.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Agree on number one but that would be for the justice system to determine right? So if there was something like touching the team would naturally call the police to be involved I’d think. Reference to the tongue lashing, I was simply guessing he told someone off with expletives or in a degrading manner. That seems to check off the boxes given the clues.

A different burden of proof can be required for workplace discipline vs criminal law.

Several years ago someone inapproachably touched me (started tickling me). I reported it because it wasn't cool, and while he wanted terminated there were consequences including being moved office buildings etc. No one called the cops of it.

Now, I'm sure what the Perry thing is a level about it, but it may or may not be criminal. Who knows. As I said, different burden of proof. The question is though did the Hawks investigation turn up enough? Will the PA appeal etc.


EDIT: TLDR what Jason said.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

People do realize sexual harassment can happen and police not called right ?

He could have slapped someone’s rear thinking he was hilarious . The person could have reported him for being a creep and completely inappropriate behavior but not cared to waste their time calling the cops

Do you really think most sexual harassment claims in business have the cops called ?

Which would result in disciplinary action, mandatory training, fine, etc. But to turf the guy that fast? It would have to be serious, and if its serious there would likely be charges.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

People do realize sexual harassment can happen and police not called right ?

He could have slapped someone’s rear thinking he was hilarious . The person could have reported him for being a creep and completely inappropriate behavior but not cared to waste their time calling the cops

Do you really think most sexual harassment claims in business have the cops called ?

I don’t know the complete protocols of verbally saying something sexual vs something physical like a butt slap but given Chicago’s track record and eyes on them I’d likely think if it was anything if the second nature, law enforcement would be brought in to investigate. Agree that someone verbally says something police wouldn’t be called but if something like unwanted touching Chicago is likely crossing their t’s and dotting their I’s and making sure someone like law enforcement is involved. If it’s just inappropriate touching for the workplace and it’s consensual I can’t imagine they’d be able to get out from his contract.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

from dailyfaceoff:

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/bl...ain-unanswered

Getting stone drunk and acting like a fool doesn't get you fired in the NHL.

So he obviously did something more.

Alcohol abuse would get him put into the substance abuse program.

I mean Lucic beats his wife and he doesn't get canned.

I remain skeptical as heck about this given the history of the Blackhawks. IMO they are covering something big up, and the NHL & NHLPA is helping them do it. Might even give them another first round pick!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Azure

Which would result in disciplinary action, mandatory training, fine, etc. But to turf the guy that fast? It would have to be serious, and if its serious there would likely be charges.

If someone violated your bodily autonomy in any way would you want to seem them around the office/rink? Or would you rather your employee support you and removed the person who crossed a line?

EDIT: It's also possible that if there is a victim, they may not want to go public and have a police investigation. So any sort of 'cover up' is the Hawks protecting them.