2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[memphusk]

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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are they? Have you done a survey? You keep talking your position with nothing to back up any of your claims.

Anyway, I am done with this.

The lack of trades that fit that criteria would be the survey. You're welcome to show the many examples that would disprove my opinion.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The lack of trades that fit that criteria would be the survey. You're welcome to show the many examples that would disprove my opinion.

It literally already happened pages ago.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It literally already happened pages ago.

Have yet to see a single example yet. Feel free to post a few. Should be pretty easy if it's such a common occurrence.

[GioforPM]

Whether or not you agree with the assessment and notwithstanding how it turned out, Krebs was considered to be a top prospect of the Knights, who was pretty central to the Eichel deal. Buffalo famously wanted a player, a pick and a prospect.

[Hackey]

But Jack Eichel was under contract for multiple seasons, 24 years old, 2nd overall pick with high upside. That's much different than a UFA Elias Lindholm.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

But Jack Eichel was under contract for multiple seasons, 24 years old, 2nd overall pick with high upside. That's much different than a UFA Elias Lindholm.

OK, go back to the Stone trade. Brannstrom was considered by some to be the best defensive prospect around.

[CliffFletcher]

The debate about trading for top prospects was sparked by a proposal involving Brandt Clarke. So how many prospects of Clarke’s calibre have been traded in recent years? Maybe three of four. And those deals involved big stars (Eichel, Pacioretti, Karlsson). Hard to see any of the Flames’ pending UFAs bringing back that kind of return.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The debate about trading for top prospects was sparked by a proposal involving Brandt Clarke. So how many prospects of Clarke’s calibre have been traded in recent years? Maybe three of four. And those deals involved big stars (Eichel, Pacioretti, Karlsson). Hard to see any of the Flames’ pending UFAs bringing back that kind of return.

Lindholm is a better producer than Patches was at the time of the trade. In Montreal before he got traded his best season was 67 points and the year he got traded he was 37 points in 64 games.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK, go back to the Stone trade. Brannstrom was considered by some to be the best defensive prospect around.

This is a decent example but Stone also agreed to an extension almost immediately.

On the flip side the Flames wouldn't include Valimaki since Stone wouldn't sign an extension.

[transplant99]

Pressure has to be mounting in Toronto with Gio going down last night....could be while for him too.

That team needs dmen in a bad way.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The debate about trading for top prospects was sparked by a proposal involving Brandt Clarke. So how many prospects of Clarke’s calibre have been traded in recent years? Maybe three of four. And those deals involved big stars (Eichel, Pacioretti, Karlsson). Hard to see any of the Flames’ pending UFAs bringing back that kind of return.

Also, I believe all the prospects traded in these deals were draft+1. I believe it was dino who said later 1sts are overrated and he would prefer prospects or young players showing promise. I don't see much of a difference between a 2023 1st some other team drafted and a 2024 1st the Flames draft. At least with your own pick you get proper scouting and a large pool to chose from.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pressure has to be mounting in Toronto with Gio going down last night....could be while for him too.

That team needs dmen in a bad way.

Vancouver moving Beauvillier and Gio/Klingberg getting hurt might get this market moving for sure.

Opens up the opportunity for those teams to not have to wait closer to the deadline to make the move.

[jg13]

Toronto D looks like this now? I'm sure Treliving has to be working the phones that is extremely thin.

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Lagesson
Benoit - Timmins

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is a decent example but Stone also agreed to an extension almost immediately.

On the flip side the Flames wouldn't include Valimaki since Stone wouldn't sign an extension.

I’m assuming a deal for Lindholm has a sign and trade or at least an extension. If he’s just a rental , yes, the price changes.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by jg13

Toronto D looks like this now? I'm sure Treliving has to be working the phones that is extremely thin.

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Lagesson
Benoit - Timmins

That bottom three. Yikes!

Anyway, I do think the Flames are a good trade matchup. But I don’t think there’s any interest from either side to help the other out whereby years down the road you’d scrutinize the winner. I’d venture both sides are hesitant to accept a big move from the other side. A Zadorov type deal I could see. But anything giving up larger assets, doubtful. So I’m guessing Treliving is stringing along until he makes a move with another team.

I also think Robertson from the Leafs will be the only prospect they’re dealing. He’s the biggest name and his career and development may be sidetracked because of injuries. Not saying he’s good but he’s the name they’d gladly hand over in a deal. Knies, no chance.

[Monahammer]

I'd take fraser minten. They also have a 1st, but I don't think they want to trade it.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That bottom three. Yikes!

Anyway, I do think the Flames are a good trade matchup. But I don’t think there’s any interest from either side to help the other out whereby years down the road you’d scrutinize the winner. I’d venture both sides are hesitant to accept a big move from the other side. A Zadorov type deal I could see. But anything giving up larger assets, doubtful. So I’m guessing Treliving is stringing along until he makes a move with another team.

I also think Robertson from the Leafs will be the only prospect they’re dealing. He’s the biggest name and his career and development may be sidetracked because of injuries. Not saying he’s good but he’s the name they’d gladly hand over in a deal. Knies, no chance.

I wonder if Tre is attached to Cowan. I think he was only there for a few days before the draft?

They are in pretty serious danger of missing the playoffs if they roll that D group for very long. There are too many teams lurking right behind them.

[Saqe]

Conroy needs to take Treliving to the cleaners, doesn't matter if it's picks or prospects or roster players. That's my only requirement.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That bottom three. Yikes!

Anyway, I do think the Flames are a good trade matchup. But I don’t think there’s any interest from either side to help the other out whereby years down the road you’d scrutinize the winner. I’d venture both sides are hesitant to accept a big move from the other side. A Zadorov type deal I could see. But anything giving up larger assets, doubtful. So I’m guessing Treliving is stringing along until he makes a move with another team.

I also think Robertson from the Leafs will be the only prospect they’re dealing. He’s the biggest name and his career and development may be sidetracked because of injuries. Not saying he’s good but he’s the name they’d gladly hand over in a deal. Knies, no chance.

I'd take Robertson in a heartbeat...he's always looked good when healthy, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Even right now he has 5 points in 9 NHL games this season.

Also wonder if Flames would have any interest in William Villeneuve, he's been pretty good at the AHL level and they would have seen him a lot as he was Poirier's d-partner in Saint John.