[PGT] Flames win 2-1 in OT over Vegas!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Was at an event last night where Pascall spoke. He was asked about a few things:

- When will Coronato get recalled? He spoke specifically about how terrible the PP is and that Coronato could help there. He spoke about how well Coronato is doing in the AHL, and it's just a matter of time.

- When asked about Zadorov, he reiterated what we've heard - they've handled it in the room, Zad has been a pro about it behind closed doors. He then went on to discuss the four UFAs, and that while it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that they get re-signed (as the Flames haven't closed that door), it does not look like that is what is going to happen and that the Flames will do what is best for the organization. Specifically on Z, he said there's a market with a few teams right now but the Flames are banking on the market expanding as other teams open up more cap space as the season goes along.

This sounds exactly as we should be expecting/hoping. Good to hear.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

P.S. Why did they dress a stripper as the backup? ‘Dusty Nickel’ is not a real name.

Not enough credit for this comment. Come on!

Originally Posted by jg13

You would've had to stretcher me off the ice after that.

Being hit like that? I think I'd be dead.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think almost every player made a big mistake, but also every player was overall very good.

And this is really it. We saw a lot of it last season when Markstrom couldnt stop a beach ball, players tighten their grips, dont engage, dont step up and dont take risks, because every mistake ended up in the back of their net.

If you've got a goalie who can cover some of your mistakes? Then play can become a lot more dynamic because you're willing to take some of those risks.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by MonaTone

All Vladar starts should be surprises to him.

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/salim-valji-f...ghts-1.2041655

Overall they have been pretty good going back to the 4-3 loss to Dallas; the game after they looked hopeless in the Heritage Classic.

In the 13 games since the Heritage Classic they've been pretty good:

Record: 7-4-2
Points %: .615 (T-9th)
GF: 45 (10th)
GA: 39 (T-11th)
S%: 10.6% (15th)
SV%: .900 (10th)

5V5 GF: 33 (T-3rd)
5v5 GA: 25 (T-13th)
5v5 CF%: 52.4% (10th)
5v5 HDCF%: 51.2% (13th)
5v5 xGF%: 51.4 (15th)

PP GF: 3 (30th)
PP GF/60: 2.8 (29TH)
PP GA: 3 (T-27th)

SH GA: 9 (t-17th)
SH GA/60: 9.22 (23rd)

So they've been top 10 in most metrics over this stretch...except their special teams have been terrible. Both the PP and PK are in the bottom 3rd of the league when it comes to how they are performing.

If they could have figured that out they probably could have went on an even better run here... but -9 on special teams over a 13 game stretch hurts a lot. Especially your powerplay being even during that time, can't give up the same amount of goals as you score on the PP.

They seem to understand how they need to play at 5v5 now... time to figure out special teams. And hopefully special teams will improve with some actual time to practice it with less time spent on the road now.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Holy eff though. He went rogue a couple times with the puck, and if it wasn't for his reach, would have been stripped and opportunity the other way. lol

Made a really nice stick check on Marchessault late in the game, but got caught earlier way out of position to allow a Las Vegas 2-on-1.

Not a great game but probably the best one since the trade request.

[calumniate]

Hope the puck is ok after bouncing off Tanev's face

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I highly doubt they don't sell anyone. That's just bad asset management especially for Lindholm and Hanifin unless both end up re-signing which I don't expect to happen. If they let someone just walk for a run at the playoffs I think it would be Tanev.

I think what's more likely is they don't move them for just picks and prospects. But I think that was always wishful thinking by some on here. Zadorov or Tanev maybe but I think Lindholm and Hanifin deals would involve younger players who can play now.

I am more worried about the Flames re singing them then letting them walk TBH.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am more worried about the Flames re singing them then letting them walk TBH.

Lindholm is the one I worry about.

If they did re-sign Hanifin for around $7M it wouldn't be great, but he's 27 at the start of the deal and with a rising salary cap that wouldn't be a contract you'd be too worried about.

Lindholm for $9M+ when he will be 29 turning 30 in the first season of that contract is terrifying.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Needs to be more chatter on Sharangovich again.

He was a standout last night.

Interesting to see he's the new wrinkle on the powerplay both in the bump back position on entry and then the feature shooter on the first unit.

His poise with the puck in traffic is night and day from what we saw in October.

More games like that and the conversation quickly moves from middle six to top six.

He has been steadily improving, as the season has gone along and he gets more comfortable with his role. He has also been up and down the lineup, and with respect to TOI, which is really tough for consistency.

Here's an interesting stat: This is his production when he gets more than 14 minutes of ice time, vs when he gets less:

More (11 games): 4G, 4A, 8P, .727PPG, 16:36 AVG TOI
Less. (11 games): 1G, 1A, 2P, .182PPG, 11:49 AVG TOI

It's a tale of ice time. Which is a function of how well you're playing, which is a function of confidence and opportunity.

I think the lesson is that, given a top 6 role, he is a top 6 player (yes, small sample size so far, but that's the trend)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Overall they have been pretty good going back to the 4-3 loss to Dallas; the game after they looked hopeless in the Heritage Classic.

In the 13 games since the Heritage Classic they've been pretty good:

Record: 7-4-2
Points %: .615 (T-9th)
GF: 45 (10th)
GA: 39 (T-11th)
S%: 10.6% (15th)
SV%: .900 (10th)

5V5 GF: 33 (T-3rd)
5v5 GA: 25 (T-13th)
5v5 CF%: 52.4% (10th)
5v5 HDCF%: 51.2% (13th)
5v5 xGF%: 51.4 (15th)

PP GF: 3 (30th)
PP GF/60: 2.8 (29TH)
PP GA: 3 (T-27th)

SH GA: 9 (t-17th)
SH GA/60: 9.22 (23rd)

So they've been top 10 in most metrics over this stretch...except their special teams have been terrible. Both the PP and PK are in the bottom 3rd of the league when it comes to how they are performing.

If they could have figured that out they probably could have went on an even better run here... but -9 on special teams over a 13 game stretch hurts a lot. Especially your powerplay being even during that time, can't give up the same amount of goals as you score on the PP.

They seem to understand how they need to play at 5v5 now... time to figure out special teams. And hopefully special teams will improve with some actual time to practice it with less time spent on the road now.

8 road games, 4 home games
changed time zones 8 times
average winning percentage of opponents: .568

with a better PP, this is definitely a playoff team

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Hope the puck is ok after bouncing off Tanev's face

That puck died on impact. It is known that Tanev's face is etched out of granite.

His teeth? Not so much. Its a good thing he got Thanksgiving out of the way because the prospect of him gumming away at a Turkey Leg with one tooth is already grim, take that one tooth away and it gets dark as all hell.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lindholm is the one I worry about.

If they did re-sign Hanifin for around $7M it wouldn't be great, but he's 27 at the start of the deal and with a rising salary cap that wouldn't be a contract you'd be too worried about.

Lindholm for $9M+ when he will be 29 turning 30 in the first season of that contract is terrifying.

Don't get me wrong, I think all the UFAs are great players, I just don't think this is the best version of the team we will see in 7 years.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lindholm is the one I worry about.

If they did re-sign Hanifin for around $7M it wouldn't be great, but he's 27 at the start of the deal and with a rising salary cap that wouldn't be a contract you'd be too worried about.

Lindholm for $9M+ when he will be 29 turning 30 in the first season of that contract is terrifying.

It's like buying a car you can't really afford because you're predicting you're going to get raises before the loan is paid off.

All it takes is an unexpected decline in the rate of revenue increasing and there is no rising salary cap.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It's like buying a car you can't really afford because you're predicting you're going to get raises before the loan is paid off.

All it takes is an unexpected decline in the rate of revenue increasing and there is no rising salary cap.

As others have pointed out, revenues are already high enough that the cap should be close to $100 million. It's been held down until the escrow debt is paid off, and after that it will only be allowed to rise 5% per year. Even if league revenue does not increase at all, the cap will go up at that rate for at least three years.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It's like buying a car you can't really afford because you're predicting you're going to get raises before the loan is paid off.

All it takes is an unexpected decline in the rate of revenue increasing and there is no rising salary cap.

Unless there is another pandemic it will likely go up.

I think if not for the pandemic and the payback the cap would have been at $92M based on revenue this year.

Even in that environment I don't think a $7M Hanifin is terrible.

Now don't get me wrong - they should be trading all the UFAs. But he was the one that if they kept I'd be okay with it due to him being a bit younger, and not really having any d-men prospects in the pipeline.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Missed the game. Who stood out the most?

Sharangovich, Backlund and Vladar were very strong. Weegar also aside from the one Vegas takeway for a breakaway.

HM: Greer, Coleman, Tanev and Zadorov were mostly noticeable in the good column.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Oilers fans are so stupid that it's funny. They have 2 high-end talents and they are still not going anywhere because their D and G are poo.

The comment about no one having more than 6 goals…

They have a 12 goal scorer, a 10 goal scorer, a 9 goal scorer…

And they have 66 goals as a team, and we have 64. Essentially the same.

We just get contributions from all lines.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

As others have pointed out, revenues are already high enough that the cap should be close to $100 million. It's been held down until the escrow debt is paid off, and after that it will only be allowed to rise 5% per year. Even if league revenue does not increase at all, the cap will go up at that rate for at least three years.

Fair enough. It doesn't really matter if the cap is $40 million or $140 million if all teams have to deal with it. The number that matters is the percentage of cap that you choose to give to a particular player.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Unless there is another pandemic it will likely go up.

I think if not for the pandemic and the payback the cap would have been at $92M based on revenue this year.

Even in that environment I don't think a $7M Hanifin is terrible.

Now don't get me wrong - they should be trading all the UFAs. But he was the one that if they kept I'd be okay with it due to him being a bit younger, and not really having any d-men prospects in the pipeline.

We should be managing our money to get better than "not terrible" deals, like the kind of deals Tre gave to Lindholm and Hanifin way back when - those were good deals.

If he's open to 1-3 years, sure. I don't want to give out big term and big bucks to someone like that at age 27 who isn't in the class of Doughty, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Makar, Heiskanen, etc. Rather save those offers for our ELC players to avoid a future Tkachuk scenario.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sharangovich, Backlund and Vladar were very strong. Weegar also aside from the one Vegas takeway for a breakaway.

HM: Greer, Coleman, Tanev and Zadorov were mostly noticeable in the good column.

Dube was good with the motor all night too.

Didn't get a lot done, but was impactful on the rush, forecheck and cycle.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The comment about no one having more than 6 goals…

They have a 12 goal scorer, a 10 goal scorer, a 9 goal scorer…

And they have 66 goals as a team, and we have 64. Essentially the same.

We just get contributions from all lines.

Greer would be 6th on their team for goals. Pospisil would be T6th.

They simply do not understand what depth is. Or the consequences of playing 2 guys all the time - the rest of the team has no chance to contribute, and checks out.