2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Those examples are different though... everyone knew those guys were reclamation projects. I was talking about guys performing well at the junior or pro level

You think teams are going to be giving up those guys though? Highly unlikely. If a prospect or young player is showing potential they are likely not being traded. If they haven't lived up to their potential or have been stagnant in their development maybe you'll get them. I think you're looking at a pool of players who maybe have a slightly higher floor than a draft pick but a way lower ceiling.

[Vinny01]

Flames need to get something for Tanev soon he seems to be heading back to the room 2 times a game

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames need to get something for Tanev soon he seems to be heading back to the room 2 times a game

I think other teams are probably thinking the same thing. Let's wait and see if he's healthy by the deadline.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You think teams are going to be giving up those guys though? Highly unlikely. If a prospect or young player is showing potential they are likely not being traded. If they haven't lived up to their potential or have been stagnant in their development maybe you'll get them. I think you're looking at a pool of players who maybe have a slightly higher floor than a draft pick but a way lower ceiling.

History says you are wrong.

[Enoch Root]

I mean, the best player in Flames history, is an example.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I mean, the best player in Flames history, is an example.

Reg as well. Kipper wasn’t much more than a prospect either.

[The Original FFIV]

With Kane signing with Red Wings, wonder what Buffalo is going to do with all that cap space.

Have to think they will weaponize that space to bring in a big piece now that Kane has signed elsewhere. May not be a rush situation and they might be able to take advantage of a cap strapped team.

Something worth watching for sure

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

History says you are wrong.

This is usually where you would provide a long list of good examples to prove your point.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I mean, the best player in Flames history, is an example.

A 30 year old trade before the salary cap isn't an example.

[Ozy_Flame]

Love the Kane to Wings signing. That team is an absolute dark horse.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

With Kane signing with Red Wings, wonder what Buffalo is going to do with all that cap space.

Have to think they will weaponize that space to bring in a big piece now that Kane has signed elsewhere. May not be a rush situation and they might be able to take advantage of a cap strapped team.

Something worth watching for sure

If they are spending assets it has to be on a goaltender. Also isn’t Thompson out for another month?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If they are spending assets it has to be on a goaltender. Also isn’t Thompson out for another month?

Yep. Goaltending is the Sabres main issue at this point. Levi hasn't shown he's quite ready to be the guy and Comrie is AHL fodder at this point. Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen is their best goaltender right now.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Do you guys think Hanifin or Lindholm would be a candidate for Detroit? Hanifin would look good alongside Seider, and Lindholm would be the perfect 2C behind Larkin and move Compher down to 3C. Picking up Kane was a big pick up.

They have an extra 1st this season and a decent pool of prospects.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think other teams are probably thinking the same thing. Let's wait and see if he's healthy by the deadline.

None of our guys are getting traded unless it’s a hockey deal where each team gets immediate help. The bounty of picks people are imaging is not coming.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

None of our guys are getting traded unless it’s a hockey deal where each team gets immediate help. The bounty of picks people are imaging is not coming.

No idea why you think that is what will happen?

[Tkachukwagon]

Haynes on Vlader and Markstrom as trade bait:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1729532208518488531

Would you be surprised to learn that Dan Vladar’s career save percentage in the NHL is exactly the same as what Miikka Kiprusoff’s was when he was the same age?

Through age 26:
- Kiprusoff | 47 gm, 14-21-3, .897 SV%
- Vladar | 62 gm, 33-16-9, .897 SV%

I think many forget that Vladar, who doesn’t turn 27 until next August, is not yet a finished product. Far from it. Heck, Monday night was only his 13th career start at the Saddledome.

Has his play been inconsistent? You bet. Has he allowed some bad goals? Absolutely. Do we know, for sure, what he will be when he grows up? Not a chance.

Now I’m certainly not predicting that he has another 305 wins ahead of him as was this case for Kiprusoff at this same stage in his career. Expecting that would be foolish. Kipper turned into an all-time great. But it goes to show that you just don’t know with goalies, who reach their prime later than players at other positions.

Could Vladar’s NHL career also end up fizzling out like it has for another lanky Czech in former Flame David Rittich, who at age 31 and after a promising start, is playing in the AHL this season for the Los Angeles Kings’ affiliate in Ontario? That’s also a possibility.

The key thing to remember with Vladar is his situation is different than the situation for the likes of Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin, Chris Tanev, Nikita Zadorov, whose names are in trade rumours daily. Vladar is not on an expiring contract like those other pending UFAs. Vladar still has another season remaining after this one on the two-year, $4.4 million extension he signed back in October 2022.

The only pressure point to deal Vladar anytime soon is the presence of highly-touted prospect Dustin Wolf, but he is only 22 and he’s not a finished product either.

Vladar isn’t a UFA until the summer of 2025, which is actually just one season before Jacob Markstrom’s deal expires.

With Markstrom turning 34 in January, there’s obviously going to be an allure — especially if the team commits to rebuilding, or even just retooling — to eventually moving forward with a younger tandem of Vladar-Wolf, even if that means keeping all three until next summer and then reassessing the goalie market. At that point, perhaps there will be some wannabe contenders hunting for a veteran starter.

If Markstrom continues to play like he has to start this season, two years remaining at $6M AAV (or potentially less if Calgary chooses to retain a portion) isn’t exactly an albatross to get rid of.

The one thing we know for sure is with more stellar performances like Vladar turned in against Vegas, the temptation to be patient and stay the course for this season is going to grow bigger and understandably so. No doubt the San Jose Sharks would have done things differently in 2003 had they known the star that Kiprusoff was about to blossom into.

[Sandman]

That’s how I think of Vladar, but I like him more than most do.

[Hackey]

Kiprusoff was traded for a 2nd. I'd take a 2nd for Vladar. Some team gets the next Kiprusoff, and we get the next Marc Edouard Vlasic.

[Sandman]

The Columbus Dispatch is reporting that Yegor Chinnakov (through his agent) wants out of CBJ.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The Columbus Dispatch is reporting that Yegor Chinnakov (through his agent) wants out of CBJ.

Does he want to be closer to home?