2023 NFL Season Thread

[ajr4013]

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[devo22]

wow. Picking Young over Stroud will probably haunt them for a long time, but still, that's pretty early to pull the plug.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mean he was clearly trying to get fired, as evidence from his final play call. But yeah Tepper already climbing high up the ranks of worst owners in the league.

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

wow. Picking Young over Stroud will probably haunt them for a long time, but still, that's pretty early to pull the plug.

I still don't understand what their plan was this season as trading Moore never made any sense. Draft a QB first overall and give him the least talented offense in the offense to work with seemed like a recipe to fail. Reich didn't do himself any favors as the play calling was so bad he gave it up only to take it back and it was still bad. Personally I feel anyone in the building that was involved in their planning this offseason should be shown the door so I don't see a problem with this firing but Fitterer should also be shown the door.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

wow. Picking Young over Stroud will probably haunt them for a long time, but still, that's pretty early to pull the plug.

That's all hindsight though. Almost everyone had Young as the top ranked QB and let's not forget that there was a lot of talk about Stroud sliding down the board after he bombed the S2 Cognition test. It would have been a massive, massive shocker had the Panthers picked Stroud first overall and to be honest I don't know how much better he would have fared in Carolina which is a dumpster fire mess. Texas has done a much better job with the coach hire and how they are building their team. A lot of the time with rookie QB's their fate is tied to their destination.

[Senator Clay Davis]

It's definitely hindsight, but it still might haunt them very badly. They may end up having passed on one franchise QB, trading the #1 pick this year who could be another...like this could end up being an all-time catastrophe. It is still too early to give up on Young, but it's not too early to see he's in a really bad situation and it may not get any better. This is Jets-level bad right now.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's all hindsight though.

oh absolutely. Still going to haunt them and I'm sure it'll cost more people than Reich their jobs in Carolina. The whole situation there just is a mess.

[Erick Estrada]

They need to get the next coach hire right and find Young some help in the offseason. It's probably worse than Jets level because they don't have the Jets defense. Wilson had a top defense behind him and at least a small handful of decent offensive players to distribute the ball to and he's been absolute trash. That's when you know a QB isn't the guy but it's hard to say in a dumpster fire like Carolina.

[Sylvanfan]

The worst thing that I think could have happened to the Panthers was last year when most expected them to tank after trading CMC and all out sell, they unexpectedly beat the Bucs and kept some other guys to finish out the season and conned themselves into thinking their 7-10 team could be a playoff team. Than they trade a pretty nice bit of assets to move up 8 places. Rather than use the picks from the CMC trade plus get more, they spend more with a depleted roster to be even worse this year.

The Colts are surprisingly 6-5 this year which likely makes Frank Reich look even worse given how terrible they were with him last year.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Yeah Reich is not a good coach, he's the prototypical good OC who shouldn't be a coach (coming back to an Eagles sideline near you?). But by all accounts Tepper is an incredibly meddlesome owner, it's gonna be tough to attract a top level coach to a situation like that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah Reich is not a good coach, he's the prototypical good OC who shouldn't be a coach (coming back to an Eagles sideline near you?). But by all accounts Tepper is an incredibly meddlesome owner, it's gonna be tough to attract a top level coach to a situation like that.

They would have been better off sticking with Wilks who had the roster buying in. For whatever reason it seems like NFL owners are hesitant to hire interim coaches full time because they crave the big splash hires.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They would have been better off sticking with Wilks who had the roster buying in. For whatever reason it seems like NFL owners are hesitant to hire interim coaches full time because they crave the big splash hires.

I'll be interested to see what your Raiders do with Pierce. Being a mid-season replacement sometimes can be easier because it's providing leadership to get a team refocused. You don't have to plan the offseason program and training camp or be part of the roster construction or really hire the rest of the coaching staff. You just have to coach.

I think Pierce embodies more of the traditional Raider culture myself. So I think he should get a long look. But I'm not as sure if that cast off type us against the world culture resonates in Las Vegas the way it did in Oakland.

Come offseason and you get guys like Harbaugh or whomever else is high on lists selling a program to the owner, guys who are good at coaching and leading may not be able to sell the hype in their pitch.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

https://www.espn.com/sports-betting/...c-winning-week

I have favorites as 11-3-1 against the closing line. Depending on when the play wss made as both the Texans and Falcons were also favorites at one point in the week. I track lines I don't think the Buffalo and Philly game ever moved off +3 which is where it landed.

But that's a lot of favorites winning and covering. I think the Packers beating the Lions on Thursday helped the books a lot. Will be interesting to see how they fared on the weekend.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I'll be interested to see what your Raiders do with Pierce. Being a mid-season replacement sometimes can be easier because it's providing leadership to get a team refocused. You don't have to plan the offseason program and training camp or be part of the roster construction or really hire the rest of the coaching staff. You just have to coach.

I think Pierce embodies more of the traditional Raider culture myself. So I think he should get a long look. But I'm not as sure if that cast off type us against the world culture resonates in Las Vegas the way it did in Oakland.

Come offseason and you get guys like Harbaugh or whomever else is high on lists selling a program to the owner, guys who are good at coaching and leading may not be able to sell the hype in their pitch.

The Raiders have looked and played much more inspired under Pierce but after the two easy games against the NY market teams, he's gone pretty conservative in the last two losses and I don't think that is doing him any favors. A lot can change over the next five games so once the season is over things will be more clear. If the Raiders show well the rest of the season I would be okay with him keeping the job but they would have to hire a quality OC to oversee the offense as Hardegree has never been an OC and it's starting to show in the past few games and I think all ties to the McDaniels offense need to be severed in the offseason.

Mark Davis is always a wild card so he may opt for the flashy hire. If it were up to me I would interview and give a hard look to Ben Johnson and Mike Macdonald. It's always hard to tell if a hot coordinator will work out as a head coach but these two seem like they have been extremely positive influences on their team's recent successes.

[SuperMatt18]

Panthers also need to fix their offensive line.

Really if I'm an NFL GM and I'm building a roster I might take the first draft spending high picks just to build my O-Line, then think about drafting a young QB.

You're leaving a young QB out to dry when you have a poor o-line and it impacts their development.

[KelVarnsen]

The Panthers don't have a OL. Stroud would suck behind that OL too.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Panthers also need to fix their offensive line.

Really if I'm an NFL GM and I'm building a roster I might take the first draft spending high picks just to build my O-Line, then think about drafting a young QB.

You're leaving a young QB out to dry when you have a poor o-line and it impacts their development.

But that's not sexy. 2013 was the year O-Line went 1,2 and 4. a QB wasn't taken til 16, EJ Manuel, the only QB in the first round.

A QB has gone first overall 7 of the last 9 years.

[Sylvanfan]

Early on the Texans Offensive Line was pretty bad too. But they have done a better job getting that unit to play better, plus designing an offence to mask some of the short comings. Also no surprise that since Tunsil returned, they've been throwing really well.

I think you can't necessarily plan one way or the other. If there's a player you think is a real NFL QB, than you have to draft him. It's still an inexact science because there was no suck for Stroud talk last year and Lovie Smith wss mocked by all the folks on Twitter for screwing the Texans by winning the last game and losing the top pick. Instead they get the best QB since Andrew Luck in the 2 spot. The Chiefs were laughed at hard for trading up to pick Mahomes...mostly because he might need a year of decent coaching to be able to use his physical skills in the NFL.

But if you draft a rookie QB, with the first two years you have to get good skill guys and try to bolster the offensive line unless you already have one or the other. Joe Burrow wasn't considered an elite prospect until he played that last year at LSU. He got killed his first year behind an awful line and didn't last the full year. But they spent money to improve it and he lead them deep in the playoffs those years.

Carolina has been a bad team for 4 years then traded a lot to move up, and really have not given Young much to work with. But we see with Trevor Lawrence that if you fix the coaching and can get some upgrades that these high pedigree guys can pop. But unlike the Jags or Bengals...these cats in Carolina won't have a top 5 pick to add to the roster for season 2. In fact they appear to have made the Young team to weaken their team now and forego a lot of future opportunity cost. The NFL doesn't have a lot of deals, but you see a lot of trading next years first blunders recently and this one is epic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But that's not sexy. 2013 was the year O-Line went 1,2 and 4. a QB wasn't taken til 16, EJ Manuel, the only QB in the first round.

A QB has gone first overall 7 of the last 9 years.

While I agree building the offensive line is most important part, I would never take a OL that early in the draft.

Look at those names, the only player who was good is Lane Johnson.

It goes back to even guys like Robert Gallery, Greg Robinson going in the first few picks. So bad.

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