[News] LeBrun/Dreger - Flames open for Business

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If the sale happens, next year isn’t that grim, at least up front:

Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Dube-Coronato-Sharangovich
Duehr-Ruzicka-Greer. And they need to make a top 9 spot for Pelletier.

Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Coronato-Sharangovich
Dube-Ruzicka-Greer
Duehr

Plus whatever they might get for Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov and Tanev

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Coronato-Sharangovich
Dube-Ruzicka-Greer
Duehr

Plus whatever they might get for Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov and Tanev

Focus, if possible, should be on a high-end centre and d-man, whether it be from other teams' young prospects and/or picks. Looks like the Flames are relatively well-served on the wings with their youth.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Focus, if possible, should be on a high-end centre and d-man, whether it be from other teams' young prospects and/or picks. Looks like the Flames are relatively well-served on the wings with their youth.

Emphasis on size. Need good sized players as we have some smaller guys that we need to buffer with bigger players. Teams built small don’t have a great record of success.

So if came down to a sub 6’ center vs a +6’ winger, I’d take the winger with size.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by timun

That's exactly what I'm contending, Jay.

So your opinion that Markstrom isn't tradable without retention is ‘proved’ by your opinion that Binnington also isn't tradable without retention?

Let us know when you have something that isn't just an opinion.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Emphasis on size. Need good sized players as we have some smaller guys that we need to buffer with bigger players. Teams built small don’t have a great record of success.

So if came down to a sub 6’ center vs a +6’ winger, I’d take the winger with size.

No surprise to anyone, but Sandman fervently agrees.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So your opinion that Markstrom isn't tradable without retention is ‘proved’ by your opinion that Binnington also isn't tradable without retention?

No, my opinion that Markstrom (and Binnington) isn't tradeable without salary retention is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary.

I was right yesterday, I'm right today; care to wager if I'm still right tomorrow?

[LIP MAN]

Originally Posted by timun

No, my opinion that Markstrom (and Binnington) isn't tradeable without salary retention is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary.

I was right yesterday, I'm right today; care to wager if I'm still right tomorrow?

I’m actually okay with us eating a bit of salary if it raises the price or makes it happen. We can do a 2-3 year window with a youth-heavy movement, take on salary and useful players (Monahan) to contenders. But every game Markstrom plays well we get closer to it. Just really want to keep us having as much cap space as possible. Kadri and Huberdeau are playing well again, so I’m okay with them staying and eventually/hopefully having some success with the new players. All of a sudden it’s exciting around here.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by timun

No, my opinion that Markstrom (and Binnington) isn't tradeable without salary retention is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary.

I was right yesterday, I'm right today; care to wager if I'm still right tomorrow?

Starting an argument is easy. Knowing when to stop is much harder.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Coronato-Sharangovich
Dube-Ruzicka-Greer
Duehr

Plus whatever they might get for Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov and Tanev

I am still hoping that the Flames re-sign Hanifin.

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by timun

No, my opinion that Markstrom (and Binnington) isn't tradeable without salary retention is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary.

I was right yesterday, I'm right today; care to wager if I'm still right tomorrow?

Cale Makar is also not tradable without salary retention. This is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary. I bet I will be right on this for a long time.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Cale Makar is also not tradable without salary retention. This is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary. I bet I will be right on this for a long time.

I'm immortal.

Proof? I'm still here!

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Sandman

No surprise to anyone, but Sandman fervently agrees.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Starting an argument is easy. Knowing when to stop is much harder.

Lol went off the script when his Binnington is objectively better didn’t really pan out.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Starting an argument is easy. Knowing when to stop is much harder.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol went off the script when his Binnington is objectively better didn’t really pan out.

Sigh, no, what didn't pan out was a misguided attempt at a sort of Socratic method whereby you'd put two-and-two together and come to realize that Jacob Markstrom is mediocre as #### all on your own. What I should have done rather than even attempt to engage in dialogue is just put my two cents in—Markstrom is one of the worst starters in the league, and no GM with half a brain would just take him off the Flames hands—and been on my merry way.

But you sure showed me.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by timun

No, my opinion that Markstrom (and Binnington) isn't tradeable without salary retention is proven correct every day that goes by without him being traded somewhere else along with his full-freight salary.

That's even more ridiculous. By that standard, every day that a player wasn't traded, it would prove that he was untradeable.

Stop digging.

Originally Posted by timun

Sigh, no, what didn't pan out was a misguided attempt at a sort of Socratic method

Yeah, you kind of need two things for the Socratic method to work:

1. You need to know how the Socratic method works.

2. You need to actually construct a valid argument.

It may well be that Markstrom won't be traded without retention, but none of your verbiage on the point has any weight one way or the other.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by timun

Sigh, no, what didn't pan out was a misguided attempt at a sort of Socratic method whereby you'd put two-and-two together and come to realize that Jacob Markstrom is mediocre as #### all on your own. What I should have done rather than even attempt to engage in dialogue is just put my two cents in—Markstrom is one of the worst starters in the league, and no GM with half a brain would just take him off the Flames hands—and been on my merry way.

But you sure showed me.

Lol there you go. You can have whatever opinion you want on a player and so can I. The Socratic method also involves probing questions and not stating opinions as facts lol

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't know if the Flames will rebuild, but if they do, I hope they can keep Kadri around for it. I understand that at this point in his career, he would likely prefer to chase another Cup somewhere, but I think he has been really good for the young players. It's paramount to a rebuilding team to have veterans who can also help teach.

Wes Gilbertson had a good write-up about it:

When these guys get back to the bench after a shift, No. 91 typically does most of the talking. Flames coach Ryan Huska has repeatedly praised Kadri, a Stanley Cup champion with the Colorado Avalanche in 2021, for embracing this mentorship role.

“It’s been great playing with him and just learning from him,” Zary said. “It’s almost always in a positive, constructive way, even if it’s something negative, like a mistake or anything like that. He kind of transforms it into a positive — ‘Hey, you did this but maybe if you tried this, maybe that would be better for you.’ So it’s not like he’s just coming at you.

“If you do something that could be done differently, it’s a lot better to hear it in a way that is like, ‘Hey, next time, I think you could try this’ instead of just ‘Hey, you screwed up.’ So it’s been great this first few weeks.”

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...artin-pospisil

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Zary-Kadri-Pospisil
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Coronato-Sharangovich
Dube-Ruzicka-Greer
Duehr

Plus whatever they might get for Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov and Tanev

Will Mangiapane get hit by a bus or am I missing something?

[Strange Brew]

Probably no need to spend alot of time rearranging the forward lines. There is one forward potentially on the block and that’s Lindholm.

It’s the D that really needs to her sorted if they lose everybody.

But I don’t see Conroy making any rebuilding moves at this point in the season. If they’re still on a 78 point pace come February then the deals will happen.