[News] Leafs place D John Klingberg on LTIR

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That wasn't LTIR. Fixing LTIR would not affect shenanigans involving actual retirement.

M. Smith looked to be in fine health in the playoffs, only to be placed on LTIR on the first game of the season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The league does look into specific situations
The issue is teams can have a roster that exceeds the cap in the playoffs. But that’s how the rules are written.
The idea that players are faking injuries is overblown

I do believe that Klingberg is injured but I also believe that teams likely put pressure on these guys to go have surgery and/or take as long as they need and explain the consequences of not which is likely extended stays in the pressbox. In the case of Klingberg he's on a one year deal and was likely banking on having a decent season with the Leafs and parlay that into maybe a multiyear deal somewhere. If the Leafs tell him that if he stays with them he's going to spend a lot of time in the pressbox he likely realizes that he's better off just being away from the team and recovering. I mean Lupul basically let the cat out of the bag on what the Leafs do.

[Jason14h]

Pretty sure they just tell the player they can go on LTIR or be sent to the minors where they have to report .

Would you rather ride the bus in the minors or chill at home with no risk of injury

Clearly he has an injury of some sort , but I’m guessing if he was their top D he would be just fine playing through it

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Pretty sure they just tell the player they can go on LTIR or be sent to the minors where they have to report .

Would you rather ride the bus in the minors or chill at home with no risk of injury

Clearly he has an injury of some sort , but I’m guessing if he was their top D he would be just fine playing through it

That's absolutely something they can hold over a player that doesn't have a NMC. If they have a NMC the team can simply limit their ice time and make them a healthy scratch. The Leafs have been doing this for a while.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

The least they could do is makeup a comedic injury excuse like Hossa and his jersey related allergies.

My BIL plays rec hockey and he's allergic to basically every synthetic out there. Gets a terrible rash from it.

Having said that he switched to bamboo clothing and now he's fine, but he has to wear it under all his equipment.

[RobotTalk]

I don't know if Klingberg is actually injured or if he's just the latest example of a team taking advantage of the LTIR loophole to get out of a cap squeeze; either option seems entirely plausible.

What I do know is that there are enough situations like this, where teams take advantage of LTIR to ice rosters that are above the cap, particularly in the playoffs, that its something that needs to be addressed; especially since 3 out of the last 4 cup winning rosters were above the cap in the playoffs.

And for those saying it's definitely a legitimate injury - I'm not sure why you'd be so sure, especially since the Leafs have been 'caught' putting guys on LTIR who could have played. The most obvious example being Joffery Lupul, who was put on LTIR after failing a physical but then posted photos of him backcountry snowboarding with the comment:

"“Haha failed physical? They (Leafs) cheat, everyone lets them.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/3753955/r...for-leafs-nhl/

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

It would have to be an enormous sum, because Klingberg took a 1 yr contract and bet on himself so he can get paid next year.

He did the same a year ago, both cases backfired costing him quite a bit because the rumored Dallas offer at the time was 63M over 8 years. He only made 11.15M in 2 years as a result and is probably looking at league min next year.

ahhhh.... a problem i just can't relate to

i do 'get' what you're saying, but it's crazy how much these guys get paid to play a game.


you guys have all missed the most obvious solution to the problem. the flames need to do the exact same thing, then, and only then, the league will do something.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by RobotTalk

I don't know if Klingberg is actually injured or if he's just the latest example of a team taking advantage of the LTIR loophole to get out of a cap squeeze; either option seems entirely plausible.

What I do know is that there are enough situations like this, where teams take advantage of LTIR to ice rosters that are above the cap, particularly in the playoffs, that its something that needs to be addressed; especially since 3 out of the last 4 cup winning rosters were above the cap in the playoffs.

And for those saying it's definitely a legitimate injury - I'm not sure why you'd be so sure, especially since the Leafs have been 'caught' putting guys on LTIR who could have played. The most obvious example being Joffery Lupul, who was put on LTIR after failing a physical but then posted photos of him backcountry snowboarding with the comment:

"“Haha failed physical? They (Leafs) cheat, everyone lets them.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/3753955/r...for-leafs-nhl/

Haha yeah. It's amazing what these LTIR'ed guys can do off the ice when they're supposedly crippled.

Stone is a strange one though because his nagging back problems were legitimate, but he was somehow always able to time a return to the line up when playoffs started.

If they continue to let it slide eventually you'll start seeing vets with a bad hip or back just sitting out until playoffs to forego the long season and all that travel and provide cap-maxed contenders with a shot in the arm for their playoff runs.

[GioforPM]

I still can’t shake the feeling that the Flames could have gotten away with LTIRing Monahan. And signed Kadri without giving up him and a first.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

They probably could have. Every one would believe that Mony would reinjure himself getting out of his bed in the morning given his streak of terrible luck. And he wound up being out most of last season as it was.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by RobotTalk

I don't know if Klingberg is actually injured or if he's just the latest example of a team taking advantage of the LTIR loophole to get out of a cap squeeze; either option seems entirely plausible.

What I do know is that there are enough situations like this, where teams take advantage of LTIR to ice rosters that are above the cap, particularly in the playoffs, that its something that needs to be addressed; especially since 3 out of the last 4 cup winning rosters were above the cap in the playoffs.

And for those saying it's definitely a legitimate injury - I'm not sure why you'd be so sure, especially since the Leafs have been 'caught' putting guys on LTIR who could have played. The most obvious example being Joffery Lupul, who was put on LTIR after failing a physical but then posted photos of him backcountry snowboarding with the comment:

"“Haha failed physical? They (Leafs) cheat, everyone lets them.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/3753955/r...for-leafs-nhl/

He legitimately has a nagging injury, the Leafs are not lying on that. I have a pretty solid source with the Leafs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I still can’t shake the feeling that the Flames could have gotten away with LTIRing Monahan. And signed Kadri without giving up him and a first.

I doubt Monny would have agreed to it.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The league does look into specific situations
The issue is teams can have a roster that exceeds the cap in the playoffs. But that’s how the rules are written.
The idea that players are faking injuries is overblown

That's the problem right there. What's the point of having a cap when it doesn't even count when it matters most?

That's actually the first problem. The other problem is how LTIR is allowed to be used. Vegas putting Stone on LTIR to free up the space to get Eichel who was also on LTIR should never have been allowed. Its use should be retstricted to injury relief, not for picking up another injured player.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That's the problem right there. What's the point of having a cap when it doesn't even count when it matters most?

That's actually the first problem. The other problem is how LTIR is allowed to be used. Vegas putting Stone on LTIR to free up the space to get Eichel who was also on LTIR should never have been allowed. Its use should be retstricted to injury relief, not for picking up another injured player.

Right but to change that both the players and league will have to agree to it.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

LTIR should require passing a protocol that includes a league rep investigating the nature/extent of the injury to confirm that it meets the criteria.

Teams are abusing this too much for injuries that are all but certainly less than serious & long term. You're not fooling anybody that it just HAPPENS to be the albatross that is handcuffing your cap situation.

While I agree the fact is that a league rep is in no position to tell someone else how much pain they are in and whether they feel capable of playing.

I think the only reasonable solution is to limit the amount of additional salary to 950K (so that teams aren't forced to roster less players). And make a new class of buyouts for injured players.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt Monny would have agreed to it.

Maybe - who knows. He was pretty miserable his last season anyway.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bluejays

While sometimes the cap is circumvented just in time for the guy to return for the playoffs, I don't think this one is the case. Klingberg is on a 1 year deal. If anything he'd want to play to get a better contract next year. On the other hand, it IS suspicious how big contracts get injured long term.

I think this is more a case of perception, on the part of fans (not directed at you).

Smaller contracts get injured too, but there is little to no incentive for a team to put them on LTIR. And even when they do, we take no notice, because it doesn't materially affect the team's cap situation.

Bigger contracts get injured - outrage!

I think the playoffs issue is a problem for sure. And because it exists, it has been (fairly, by the rules) exploited. Fix that, and this problem is a giant nothing burger.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I still can’t shake the feeling that the Flames could have gotten away with LTIRing Monahan. And signed Kadri without giving up him and a first.

Monahan publicly said he was healthy

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He legitimately has a nagging injury, the Leafs are not lying on that. I have a pretty solid source with the Leafs.

Lol who doesn't

Guys miss the entire season and just happen to be ready game one of the playoffs what luck!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think this is more a case of perception, on the part of fans (not directed at you).

Smaller contracts get injured too, but there is little to no incentive for a team to put them on LTIR. And even when they do, we take no notice, because it doesn't materially affect the team's cap situation.

Bigger contracts get injured - outrage!

I think the playoffs issue is a problem for sure. And because it exists, it has been (fairly, by the rules) exploited. Fix that, and this problem is a giant nothing burger.

Exactly, fix it