[News] LeBrun/Dreger - Flames open for Business

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Vladar is no better than what they have.

It is funny though I have heard reporters and media say they just need something different. If they are scouting Montreal goalies there is nothing there that vastly improves their situation.

If they can’t get a legit starter I think they still have to do something. Vladar wouldn’t cost premium assets to which the Oilers have few especially if their 1st is not on the table

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Markstrom at $3M is as valuable as Lindholm is

When have we seen the goalie trade market reflect this?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Markstrom at $3M is as valuable as Lindholm is

Markstrom is 13 games removed from being the worst starting goalie in the entire league.

These 13 games do not erase last season, nor the incredibly inconsistent performance he has delivered in Calgary.

[howard_the_duck]

It’s not even a knock on markstrom. I think his true capabilities are closer to this year’s version vs last year. But goalies just don’t historically have great trade value

[dammage79]

Flames don't need no Bouchard, they have one already in Poirier.

Not a fan of either player. God's gifts to offensive end play, absolute tire fires in the back end. Worse than Kylington ever was.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Markstrom is 13 games removed from being the worst starting goalie in the entire league.

These 13 games do not erase last season, nor the incredibly inconsistent performance he has delivered in Calgary.

No they don't. But last season was just that - a bad season. They happen.

Markstrom is the starting goalie that he has been for the past several years. And he has value. The fact that you are tainted, because of last season, is irrelevant to his value around the league.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Markstrom is 13 games removed from being the worst starting goalie in the entire league.

These 13 games do not erase last season, nor the incredibly inconsistent performance he has delivered in Calgary.

Markstrom is one year removed from being the second best starting goalie in the league, and 4 years removed from being the 4th best. He has a track record of success and his early season performance shows he is getting close to being closer to that good goalie vs bad.

With the Flames having big contracts on the books I am not sure carrying $3M of dead cap for 2.5 years makes much sense. Vladar should still be the guy they move unless a team steps up and wants Markstrom to be their clear number 1

[Harry Lime]

The only way that LA can take on Markstrom is by moving Arvidsson and he is no LITR. Can you trade a player like that?

Technically, under those circumstances, you would only have to retain 500K for this season, or 1M for LA to fit Markstrom under the salary cap next year, with the raises they need to give.

Markstrom (1M retained) for Copley and Arvidsson, plus Turcotte... is a good trade.

This is Turcottes first injury free pro season.

edit : I guess LA can just LITR Arvidsson for the entire season... Still doesn't have to be 3M

[Mitch]

Imo people are going to be disappointed in what the return on some of our players will be based on some of trade proposals in here. Hope I'm wrong

[Flames1217]

Not at all trying to be an insider or anything

Had a friend who used to be connected in some form to the hockey world telling me that he heard some rumblings of a deal getting "close"

Have you heard anything Diss or Sec ?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Imo people are going to be disappointed in what the return on some of our players will be based on some of trade proposals in here. Hope I'm wrong

My baseline exceptions are a 1st + 2nd/b prospect for each of Lindholm and Hanifin. A 2nd + b prospect for Tanev and Zadarov each. Anything above that is gravy.

[Monahammer]

I don't even think Kenny Holland is stupid enough to trade the oilers 1st this year.

Markstrom... Markstrom's value alone isn't that much. IMO I think it is still less than Broberg or Holloway alone due to contract length and cap hit.

Let's say for argument it's a 3rd in a vacuum, but my personal position is that it's much less. Maybe a 4th but probably zilch unless you're willing to take on a contract in return.

So we have a goalie worth a 3rd for the sake of this argument. To our provincial rivals we charge a 2nd. Maybe the oil want to get rid of Broberg or Holloway more than a 2nd? If so I think that's an easy yes.

But, Campbell is a complication to the equation. Both Markstrom and Campbell are owed $20 million between the beginning of this season and end of their contracts. Campbell's has a worse buyout due to the additional year, but has a lesser cap hit. Very moderate though, only 1 mil.

Because the oil are cap strapped, we would probably need to also take the additional million in cap hit as retention.

So the value needs to be: [1 season of 5 million cap hit (no $ difference)]+ [2 seasons of 1 million retention ($2 million in real cash value difference here)] + [value of markstrom] - [value of campbell]

Really it comes down to how much they value markstrom. That's the biggest dispute. I don't think there's any world in which we get a 1st plus on that trade, even without the oilers tanking. I think if we could score Holloway off of that we should and try to turn him around. Maybe you ask for holloway and a late pick.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can we agree that no matter the situation we should not deal with Edmonton.

At some point we need to have standards.

But why should the rest of the league be able to benefit from their incompetence and not the Flames?

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Bonded

My baseline exceptions are a 1st + 2nd/b prospect for each of Lindholm and Hanifin. A 2nd + b prospect for Tanev and Zadarov each. Anything above that is gravy.

I've lowered my expectations to the point that if they trade any of these players and get a return that includes draft picks, its a win.

I'm scared they'll try to hold on to these players to make a run at the playoffs. I do have some faith in Conny and Iggy to take this team in the right direction though.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But why should the rest of the league be able to benefit from their incompetence and not the Flames?

Because what if it helps them? I don’t care if it’s one in a million. I’m not taking that chance.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

At 3 million bucks there would be 29 starting goalies this year making more than Markstrom. Unless we think we are trading one of the absolute worst starting goalies in hockey there is no reason to retain on Markstrom.

I mean... in fairness to anyone who would entertain acquiring Markstrom: based on his performance last year he is one of the absolute worst starting goalies in hockey. And at $6M, there are only a handful of goalies making more than Markstrom.

Would you trade Markstrom for Jordan Binnington?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Because what if it helps them? I don’t care if it’s one in a million. I’m not taking that chance.

That's unpossible.

Nothing will ever help them. They ruin everything they touch.

[Knut]

I read this thinking it was the trade speculation thread. I think we need a Insider News thread and a speculation thread. Also, another Jankowski thread.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I've lowered my expectations to the point that if they trade any of these players and get a return that includes draft picks, its a win.

I'm scared they'll try to hold on to these players to make a run at the playoffs. I do have some faith in Conny and Iggy to take this team in the right direction though.

I don’t think so. There is too much recent history with letting a certain UFA walk. Worst case scenario is them giving a retirement contract to Lindholm

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't even think Kenny Holland is stupid enough to trade the oilers 1st this year.

Markstrom... Markstrom's value alone isn't that much. IMO I think it is still less than Broberg or Holloway alone due to contract length and cap hit.

Let's say for argument it's a 3rd in a vacuum, but my personal position is that it's much less. Maybe a 4th but probably zilch unless you're willing to take on a contract in return.

So we have a goalie worth a 3rd for the sake of this argument. To our provincial rivals we charge a 2nd. Maybe the oil want to get rid of Broberg or Holloway more than a 2nd? If so I think that's an easy yes.

But, Campbell is a complication to the equation. Both Markstrom and Campbell are owed $20 million between the beginning of this season and end of their contracts. Campbell's has a worse buyout due to the additional year, but has a lesser cap hit. Very moderate though, only 1 mil.

Because the oil are cap strapped, we would probably need to also take the additional million in cap hit as retention.

So the value needs to be: [1 season of 5 million cap hit (no $ difference)]+ [2 seasons of 1 million retention ($2 million in real cash value difference here)] + [value of markstrom] - [value of campbell]

Really it comes down to how much they value markstrom. That's the biggest dispute. I don't think there's any world in which we get a 1st plus on that trade, even without the oilers tanking. I think if we could score Holloway off of that we should and try to turn him around. Maybe you ask for holloway and a late pick.

what does he care he is gone after this season