IDF has cleared enough of the debris under the bombed out Al-Shifa hospital and let the press into some sections of the Hamas bunkers. Several of the Israeli hostages were last seen in the hospital CCTV near this one.
IDF has cleared enough of the debris under the bombed out Al-Shifa hospital and let the press into some sections of the Hamas bunkers. Several of the Israeli hostages were last seen in the hospital CCTV near this one.
One thing that really strikes me as odd, is how clean the tunnels and rooms are.
Here it is
Hamas has been in those tunnels for decades and they were probably built and improved on over that time. Probably started off pretty makeshift but creature comforts will get put in after awhile and being so far underground the tunnels would have to be well maintained and ventilated.
I try not to post something directly from the IDF since some posters will always complain about bias, or that is was staged nothingburger, or something. In any case, the IDF has arrested the Director of the Al-Shifa Hospital now after confirming things. Basically impossible for the guy not to have known Hamas was on site run under their feet. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladit...gest-hospital/
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Well here's the thing, Israel is winning, Israelis have a better life in Israel than they would in Canada, they dont have generations of wasted endless grinding oppression as their only future, they dont need to move to have a reasonable chance at happiness.
Gazan's do, their choice is poverty, death or migration, is it a fair choice, no, but it's their only choice, Palestinians in the West Bank might just get enough land back in the future to create some kind of poverty-stricken version of Jordan, Gaza wont ever have that opportunity, right now Gaza is as big as it will ever be
Would you have taken the same stance if Ukraine was controlled by Russia? That Ukrainians should immigrate out of their homes? I can tell you the majority would say no based on what we saw in that thread.
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Hamas has been in those tunnels for decades and they were probably built and improved on over that time. Probably started off pretty makeshift but creature comforts will get put in after awhile and being so far underground the tunnels would have to be well maintained and ventilated.
I try not to post something directly from the IDF since some posters will always complain about bias, or that is was staged nothingburger, or something. In any case, the IDF has arrested the Director of the Al-Shifa Hospital now after confirming things. Basically impossible for the guy not to have known Hamas was on site run under their feet. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladit...gest-hospital/
Sorry I wasn't clearer, it seems odd that tunnels that have been lived in and potentially fought in by "soldiers" are that sanitized and clean.
Suppose the IDF could have swept through and cleaned up.
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Sorry I wasn't clearer, it seems odd that tunnels that have been lived in and potentially fought in by "soldiers" are that sanitized and clean.
Suppose the IDF could have swept through and cleaned up.
I'm guessing there wasn't too much actual fighting in there since Hamas probably cleared out most of the important stuff/soldiers after Israel announced it publicly as a target. Not to mention the IDF took a day+ between when they announced finding the blast door to the tunnels/bunker and saying they got inside. This isn't Hama's only base of ops or the only exit out with how extensive the tunnel network under Gaza is. Probably abandoned and all IDF did was was cleared out booby traps and a couple of Hamas stragglers that were left behind.
So what you're saying is Isreal built these tunnels for hospital operations and useful infrastructure in Gaza, and Hamas instead turned them into military bunkers?
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So what you're saying is Isreal built these tunnels for hospital operations and useful infrastructure in Gaza, and Hamas instead turned them into military bunkers?
No? How did you arrive at that conclusion from my posts or are you deliberately trying to misrepresent me?
I'm simply questioning what I'm supposed to be seeing in the IDF videos asides from a series of tunnels that was already known to exist given that they were built by Israel.
But feel free to enlighten me with timestamps from the video how you arrived at the conclusion they were military bunkers?
Would you have taken the same stance if Ukraine was controlled by Russia? That Ukrainians should immigrate out of their homes? I can tell you the majority would say no based on what we saw in that thread.
we have taken in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, if the war goes badly I am sure we will take in many hundreds of thousand more in the west, no one is saying 'should' the suggestion is to allow people who want to leave to get out, that is the huge difference
No? How did you arrive at that conclusion from my posts or are you deliberately trying to misrepresent me?
I'm simply questioning what I'm supposed to be seeing in the IDF videos asides from a series of tunnels that was already known to exist given that they were built by Israel.
But feel free to enlighten me with timestamps from the video how you arrived at the conclusion they were military bunkers?
I don't think it really matters who built the bunkers. Israel building them adds to their case, as they would have more factual knowledge of the extent of the bunkers beneath the hospital and what they could be used for. The initial intent was likely to be used as the intended purpose of bunkers, which is to protect civilians during war time.
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The hospital underwent a major Israeli renovation and expansion.[24][25] The project was designed by Israeli architects Gershon Tzapor and Benjamin Edelson in their Tel-Aviv office, both well experienced in the construction of high standard hospitals.[24] The project was done in the 1980s as part of a project to improve the living conditions of Gaza residents.
You can clearly see that tunnels were added to the bunkers, that would allow fighters to move more freely in and out of them and access them from different points.
There's also a video of Hamas gunmen forcing a hostage into the hospital at gunpoint and bringing at least 2 other hostages into the hospital. That alone gives Israel reason to enter the hospital. Israel also didn't storm the hospital. They waited several days until they had a relatively safe opportunity to enter, which likely gave Hamas more than enough time to evacuate and clean up a lot of their operation, wipe the cameras, etc...Even then, Hamas still left quite a bit of evidence behind.
The video also shows armed Hamas gunmen entering the hospital in full view of the hospital staff, who seemed to be reacting (or in this case not reacting) to gunmen entering the hospital like it was an everyday occurrence. The hospital staff lied through their teeth later denying that gunmen or hostages had entered.
Israel also didn't "massacre" the patients insides. They supplied the hospital with fuel and worked with other nations to provide evacuation corridors for patients.
You may not think it's enough, and it might not be, but it's a pretty far cry from the supposed and purposeful large scale massacre you are making it out to be.
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No? How did you arrive at that conclusion from my posts or are you deliberately trying to misrepresent me?
I'm simply questioning what I'm supposed to be seeing in the IDF videos asides from a series of tunnels that was already known to exist given that they were built by Israel.
But feel free to enlighten me with timestamps from the video how you arrived at the conclusion they were military bunkers?
When Israel funded Hamas, I wonder if they knew that the money would be used to purchase weapons. I'm sure the funding had clauses that said 'for strict humanitarian use only' and 'not for use in tunnels'
Well then that begs the question wth were you trying to say by posting the video?
Beause they show absolutely nothing. They show zero evidence of the existence of the "major command centre" that was claimed to exist to justify the destruction of a hospital and the slaughter of newborn infants, children, health care professionals, patients and civilians.
What were you trying to prove by posting the video?
Israel also didn't "massacre" the patients insides. They supplied the hospital with fuel and worked with other nations to provide evacuation corridors for patients.
Stop embarrassing yourself by trying to spin your way out of and justifying infanticide.
How much fuel did they claim to have supplied and how long would it have kept the hospital generators going?
Well then that begs the question wth were you trying to say by posting the video?
Beause they show absolutely nothing. They show zero evidence of the existence of the "major command centre" that was claimed to exist to justify the destruction of a hospital and the slaughter of newborn infants, children, health care professionals, patients and civilians.
What were you trying to prove by posting the video?
Another poster on the thread said there was no tunnel/bunker awhile back in the thread.
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