2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by MrMike

With Florida being the top landing spot for Kane and only having 500k in space, I think we trade Zadorov to Toronto with nothing retained (Klingberg makes 4.2m a season and putting him on IR makes that happen) for about a third with no cap coming back. We then use that space opened up to retain half on Hanifin in a trade with the Panthers ( now have 7.7m space) to take Lundell and whatever else they need to make space for signing Kane.

I don't see Florida offering much for Kane, maybe a 1 million, one year show it deal. With maybe some bonuses sliding into next year like the Connor Brown deal if necessary. To me it would be pretty crazy to offer him anything more after his surgery that nobody has come back from and still be effective. And they have been a pretty good defensive team this year while missing Ekblad and Montour and are now overflowing with defensemen, so I don't see Hanifin as a fit anymore. Especially with the resurgence of OEL who's been very good.

[MrMike]

Panthers only have two D men signed past this year. It would be a now and future move. With having Ekblad as their number one guy I have a feeling Montour is going to get paid handsomely in free agency and might prefer a younger Hanifin locked up for under 7 per a year. Not the first time they’d prefer to give a long contract to a younger player over a veteran and who also happens to be best buddies with Tkachuk. And it allows them to add a player like Hanifin and Kane for another run this year.

[CFO]

Sign hanafin


Lindholm to Washington for younger players and a pick.

Trade tanev, vladar and zadorov.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Panthers only have two D men signed past this year. It would be a now and future move. With having Ekblad as their number one guy I have a feeling Montour is going to get paid handsomely in free agency and might prefer a younger Hanifin locked up for under 7 per a year. Not the first time they’d prefer to give a long contract to a younger player over a veteran and who also happens to be best buddies with Tkachuk. And it allows them to add a player like Hanifin and Kane for another run this year.

They have the money to sign both Montour and Forsling and Zito has made clear those two are his priority. Reinhart may be the one who has to go, unless some other moves are made. But even if he does, they wouldn't have space to take Hanifin.

[MrMike]

It was Sec speculating last night that there was talk around Hanifin and Lundell, I’m just branching off how that might work in my prior posts

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by MrMike

It was Sec speculating last night that there was talk around Hanifin and Lundell, I’m just branching off how that might work in my prior posts

Oh ok, didn't know about that.



I really don't see that plausible. Just from the cap perspective it's seems impossible. If they somehow do manage to free up space, they'd probably prioritize signing Reinhart.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by MrMike

It was Sec speculating last night that there was talk around Hanifin and Lundell, I’m just branching off how that might work in my prior posts

Not what I said.

"I don’t think they have a bad contract requirement there, my opinion tho.

Their backend does indeed need to be rebuilt on the LHD side of things. Noah has been connected to Florida in the past but I haven’t herd specifically on this specific report. He’s best buddy’s with Tkachuk.

It would have to include a extension."

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Not what I said.

"I don’t think they have a bad contract requirement there, my opinion tho.

Their backend does indeed need to be rebuilt on the LHD side of things. Noah has been connected to Florida in the past but I haven’t herd specifically on this specific report. He’s best buddy’s with Tkachuk.

It would have to include a extension."

Yeah sorry I wasn’t trying to claim that, just throwing ideas out there from the little info you mentioned and how it could make sense. Little bit of miscommunication on my part.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah sorry I wasn’t trying to claim that, just throwing ideas out there from the little info you mentioned and how it could make sense. Little bit of miscommunication on my part.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CFO

Sign hanafin


Lindholm to Washington for younger players and a pick.

Trade tanev, vladar and zadorov.

No to re-signing Hanifin. Rumours are they came to an agreement on money and term before Hanifin walked away. The rumoured price was way way too much for him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

No to re-signing Hanifin. Rumours are they came to an agreement on money and term before Hanifin walked away. The rumoured price was way way too much for him.

He’ll get 7 million or close too. It wasn’t a crazy overpayment

[Flamesfan05]

At least Hanifin steps up his game

Zadorov on the other hand…

[MrMike]

Yeah as much as I don’t want to give him a 7+ contract extension, he’s looked incredibly good these past ten games. Very solid and only time I notice him is putting pucks on net that turn into goals/scoring chances.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Not what I said.

"I don’t think they have a bad contract requirement there, my opinion tho.

Their backend does indeed need to be rebuilt on the LHD side of things. Noah has been connected to Florida in the past but I haven’t herd specifically on this specific report. He’s best buddy’s with Tkachuk.

It would have to include a extension."

Imagine what it’s like to be Noah Hanifin and walk through life threatened with good times.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah as much as I don’t want to give him a 7+ contract extension, he’s looked incredibly good these past ten games. Very solid and only time I notice him is putting pucks on net that turn into goals/scoring chances.

Yup. I think people will really notice how good he is when he is gone

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Brutal proposal. The prospects mentioned are pretty much worthless. Chiarot is a cap dump, higher priced than Zaddy's next contract, has 2 more years, is much worse, and has an NTC to boot.

So this trade proposal is Zaddy for a 2nd and a bad cap dump. Not worth it. Would rather just take a 3rd or 4th straight up. 1st and Chiarot is worth considering. Maybe Veleno+2nd+Chiarot?

No disrespect, but I have to disagree with you when it comes to Buium and Wallinder. Neither are top-pairing guys, but they will be excellent second-pairing guys in the NHL someday. Wallinder was 13th in D scoring in the SHL last season as a 20 year-old. He's 6'4", and a great skater and stickhandler with a quality 2-way game. This year, he's struggling a bit adapting to the AHL, but he'll be fine.

Since being drafted in 2021, Buium has put up the following totals in the NCAA: 18 in 39 games, 21 in 38 games, and 10 in 12 games this year. Buium is 6'3"220 lbs, and plays a more simple, rugged style than Wallinder. Neither player is a garbage prospect, far from it. Detroit has one of my favorite prospects in Marco Kasper, but we're not getting anywhere near him.

As for taking on Chiarot's contract, that's where we agree- I wouldn't want any part of that, but we would most likely have to take salary back.

[Robbob]

It always amuses me when people look down on prospects that have been drafted. A lot of times you would be fortunate to get a player like Wallinder with even late first round picks.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Robbob

It always amuses me when people look down on prospects that have been drafted. A lot of times you would be fortunate to get a player like Wallinder with even late first round picks.

Yeah some even said Lundell is now less than a mid 1st lol

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Robbob

It always amuses me when people look down on prospects that have been drafted. A lot of times you would be fortunate to get a player like Wallinder with even late first round picks.

Given the recent success of both teams amateur scouting departments I would be inclinded to trust the Flames amateur scouts more than I would trust the ability of players drafted by Detroit.

From 2015-2019 (basically players that today 22-26 years old) each team had the following results in terms of players who have played at least 50 games in the NHL

Detroit - 10 out of 45 picks (22.2%) - top 5 players out of those 45 picks were Seider, Hronek, Zadina, Rasmussen and Velano. In that time period the Red Wings had 23 picks in the first 3 rounds.

Calgary - 8 out of 24 picks (33%). Top five players were Tkachuk, Fox, Anderson, Mangiapane and Dube. In that time period the Flames had 9 picks in the first 3 rounds.

I am sure there may be good players in the Detroit system but if I was given a choice between letting our scouts find a great player or trying to find a great player that is in another system my money would be on our scouts.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Given the recent success of both teams amateur scouting departments I would be inclinded to trust the Flames amateur scouts more than I would trust the ability of players drafted by Detroit.

From 2015-2019 (basically players that today 22-26 years old) each team had the following results in terms of players who have played at least 50 games in the NHL

Detroit - 10 out of 45 picks (22.2%) - top 5 players out of those 45 picks were Seider, Hronek, Zadina, Rasmussen and Velano. In that time period the Red Wings had 23 picks in the first 3 rounds.

Calgary - 8 out of 24 picks (33%). Top five players were Tkachuk, Fox, Anderson, Mangiapane and Dube. In that time period the Flames had 9 picks in the first 3 rounds.

I am sure there may be good players in the Detroit system but if I was given a choice between letting our scouts find a great player or trying to find a great player that is in another system my money would be on our scouts.

But couldn't our scouts scout those players in another's system and make their assesment?