Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Wait... are you suggesting the footage was edited or taken out of context? Or... what is your concern? I don't think the source particularly matters for something like unaltered footage directly from the HOC.

I just think we can do without giving neo-nazis like Bexte any validation.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Can always count on the NDP to defend the liberals.

You are parroting information spread by a vile white supremacist. You should know who this man is by now.


If not, please step back and consider how you got here, and reevaluate your sources of information.

[2Stonedbirds]

Lmao

[Zulu29]

So apparently the new battery plant in Windsor will be staffed with South Korean employees? I really hope that it’s a temporary measure to train local workers until they’re up to speed. Would not be cool for the government to give so many subsidies to the company with no jobs to Canadians.

[ZedMan]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sou...deal-1.7035141

"I love South Korea, wonderful country. But they don't fund jobs for Canadians and we shouldn't fund jobs for their workers," Poilievre said. "Our money should fund our paycheques,"

Poilievre was Harper's employment minister in 2015 as the South Korean trade agreement and its labour mobility provisions were first implemented, and in that role could have been briefed on how the new preferential deal could impact the Canadian job market if future foreign investments sparked the need for specialized foreign labour.

Oh dear, how embarrassing.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Can always count on Yoho to quote Rebel/ Keanan/ CPC/ RW Opinion pieces as "facts"

NDP member asks the Speaker to enforce procedures because PP is droning on like an idiot.

PP: "THEY'RE DEFENDING THE LIBERALS!"

Mouthbreathers like Yoho: *drool* *seal-clap*

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Firebot

16% of GDP is a huge difference from a 14-15% historical number when we are talking trillions. We are at 2.08 trillion dollars GDP, even a 1% of GDP difference in program expenses equals to a 20 billion dollar increase above historical government norm if using the same amount of GDP.

Our fall updated forecast just came in at 40$ billion deficit, this means half of that deficit is due to well above average government program spending specifically as a result of a Trudeau led government. And this is the rosy Liberal projected number.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bill...20billion%20in

And speaking of numbers where are you getting 14-15% from? The quote is?

You are downplaying and skewing the numbers. Even at peak of the 2008-2009 credit crisis Harper's government spending maxed out at 15.9%, higher than the current 2023 numbers. By 2015 Harper was down to 12.8%.

Looking at it in terms of GDP makes it worse.

The chart only goes back to 1993, but throughout the '80s, government spending was higher than it is now relative to GDP bring the average up. And those numbers are still declining somewhat from COVID.

And lumping Harper in with Martin/Chretien in terms of fiscal restraint like that article does is also disingenuous. Cutting program costs by 1-2% of GDP while simultaneously tanking revenue through tax cuts and increasing the debt by almost 20% of GDP is not fiscal responsibility. Which is why even with increased program expenses, the current government has increased the debt by far, far less relative to GDP than the prior one did.

In fact my prior numbers were quite a bit off because they included the provinces. Looking strictly at the Federal government, the debt-to-GDP has barely increased at all under this government:

2006 to 2015: 29.3% increase in Debt-to-GDP
2015 to 2023: 5.4% increase in Debt-to-GDP

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DEBTTLCAA188A

[Firebot]

I feel we are comparing apples and oranges here (program spending to gdp % and debt to gpt%), but yes I dont view Harper as in the same vein as Chretien / Martin, which I held in high regard in terms of servicing debt and did a great job on it.

I'm not arguing this from a partisan level. So I guess we will agree to agree on the same thing when talking of debt to gdp.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

So apparently the new battery plant in Windsor will be staffed with South Korean employees? I really hope that it’s a temporary measure to train local workers until they’re up to speed. Would not be cool for the government to give so many subsidies to the company with no jobs to Canadians.

not really. there will be South Korean staff coming temporarily.
You have a project that Canada has never done, you need people who know what the heck they're doing to get it going.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winds...tery-1.7033732
Joe McCabe is the president and CEO of Auto Forecast Solutions. He says that the end result of the NextStar facility is more employment for local workers — but news of South Korean workers coming to NextStar is "100 per cent" what he expected.

"This is what's going to happen with every partnership, especially in the electrification space with a foreign entity, and I think it's got to be sort of the pill that needs to be swallowed for a short amount of time," McCabe said.

"Anywhere you're going to partnership with a foreign entity, you're going to have representation from that foreign entity … at least for the kickoff, especially in a battery electric field."

Calls for an all-Canadian project from top to bottom are "short-sighted," he said, especially as the plant works to get up and running.

"I think you've got to bring the people that know the technology and are skilled and it's their backgrounds, their wheelhouse that come in, set the stage, make sure everything is ... running smoothly and then hand the keys off," he said.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by ZedMan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sou...deal-1.7035141








Oh dear, how embarrassing.

Originally Posted by rubecube

NDP member asks the Speaker to enforce procedures because PP is droning on like an idiot.

PP: "THEY'RE DEFENDING THE LIBERALS!"

Mouthbreathers like Yoho: *drool* *seal-clap*

Has there ever been such weak leadership for our parties? Ever? It's a forest of arseholes.

PP is a rudderless populist with no core principles. Trudeau is a corrupt prick whos incompetent a ####. Singh is a culture war obsessed loser who doesn't give a flying #### about working families. It's all awful.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Has there ever been such weak leadership for our parties? Ever? It's a forest of arseholes.

PP is a rudderless populist with no core principles. Trudeau is a corrupt prick whos incompetent a ####. Singh is a culture war obsessed loser who doesn't give a flying #### about working families. It's all awful.

I said this a few years back that Democracies are no longer creating leaders, they're creating a incompetent lowest common denomination political class that get into these jobs because they're well paid, but there's zero expectation of getting anything actually done.

And its not just Canada, its most of the Western Democracies.

Its hard to believe that things will get better, or solutions will come when you look at the caliber of the people that are in government.

These people are well paid, have lots of entitlements, but we get very little value out of them.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

not really. there will be South Korean staff coming temporarily.
You have a project that Canada has never done, you need people who know what the heck they're doing to get it going.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winds...tery-1.7033732
Joe McCabe is the president and CEO of Auto Forecast Solutions. He says that the end result of the NextStar facility is more employment for local workers — but news of South Korean workers coming to NextStar is "100 per cent" what he expected.

"This is what's going to happen with every partnership, especially in the electrification space with a foreign entity, and I think it's got to be sort of the pill that needs to be swallowed for a short amount of time," McCabe said.

"Anywhere you're going to partnership with a foreign entity, you're going to have representation from that foreign entity … at least for the kickoff, especially in a battery electric field."

Calls for an all-Canadian project from top to bottom are "short-sighted," he said, especially as the plant works to get up and running.

"I think you've got to bring the people that know the technology and are skilled and it's their backgrounds, their wheelhouse that come in, set the stage, make sure everything is ... running smoothly and then hand the keys off," he said.

LOL. it's Pierre Smarmass's way to rile up the base to own the Libs!

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

NDP member asks the Speaker to enforce procedures because PP is droning on like an idiot.

PP: "THEY'RE DEFENDING THE LIBERALS!"

Mouthbreathers like Yoho: *drool* *seal-clap*

Why do you side with Trudeau and jagmeet? They are completely incompetent corrupt morons that have ran Canada into the ground and wrecked pretty much everything. Canadians who support the liberals and ndp need to wake the hell up and vote these useless bums out.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I said this a few years back that Democracies are no longer creating leaders, they're creating a incompetent lowest common denomination political class that get into these jobs because they're well paid, but there's zero expectation of getting anything actually done.

And its not just Canada, its most of the Western Democracies.

Its hard to believe that things will get better, or solutions will come when you look at the caliber of the people that are in government.

These people are well paid, have lots of entitlements, but we get very little value out of them.

MPs get paid less than most skilled professionals in management or executive positions.

So the question is if you’re an educated, skilled, ambitious professional who can make 150k+ in the private sector, what’s the upside of going into politics? You’ll make less money. You’ll be hated by half the people you represent. You’ll have to move halfway across the country away from your family. You’ll have no privacy. And there’s a good chance you’ll be turfed from your job come election time - not because of how well you did your job, but because your party or party leader dropped in popularity.

The only upside I can think of is the pension.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Why do you side with Trudeau and jagmeet? They are completely incompetent corrupt morons that have ran Canada into the ground and wrecked pretty much everything. Canadians who support the liberals and ndp need to wake the hell up and vote these useless bums out.

Speak for yourself man, life is great. I love living here.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1727087233654731058

Can always count on the NDP to defend the liberals.

You would think CP would not want to be associated with White Supremacists and would take down bull#### like this.

Really shines a light on what a POS Yoho is

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

MPs get paid less than most skilled professionals in management or executive positions.

So the question is if you’re an educated, skilled, ambitious professional who can make 150k+ in the private sector, what’s the upside of going into politics? You’ll make less money. You’ll be hated by half the people you represent. You’ll have to move halfway across the country away from your family. You’ll have no privacy. And there’s a good chance you’ll be turfed from your job come election time - not because of how well you did your job, but because your party or party leader dropped in popularity.

The only upside I can think of is the pension.

These MPs are completely incompetent unqualified people chosen to represent in front of a camera, they don't do any actual work it is all done behind the scenes by consultants. Skilled professional and executives have to at least be qualified and have relevant training and education. Trudeau hires based on if you don't have a penis or were part of his wedding party. They are essentially being paid to do nothing and yes if they are part of a terrible government like the liberals or ndp they will be hated by most people and they knowingly enter into this arrangement mostly for the oversized paychecks and lucrative pension.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You would think CP would not want to be associated with White Supremacists and would take down bull#### like this.

Really shines a light on what a POS Yoho is

Must be subscribed to CP Blue.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Speak for yourself man, life is great. I love living here.

Just think of how much better it would be if Trudeau and freeland and jagmeet were all in jail, And the country was run by someone competent not corrupt.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Just think of how much better it would be if Trudeau and freeland and jagmeet were all in jail, And the country was run by someone competent not corrupt.

What is the point of a post like this? It's just weird.