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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Markstrom is one of the worst goalies in the league, and on one of the worst possible contracts. NOBODY is taking him off our hands.

This is so blatantly false it isn't funny.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Markstrom is one of the worst goalies in the league, and on one of the worst possible contracts. NOBODY is taking him off our hands.

2.75 GAA (his career norm, because he spends most of his time on bad teams) is 18th. .903 save % is 28th, but again, this is a bottom five roster that he’s been keeping in games.

2 more years at the 7th-highest cap hit for the position is also objectively not one of the worst possible contracts.

Look things up.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is so blatantly false it isn't funny.

Markstrom is one of the worst goalies in the league by almost any statistical measure. If he was a pending UFA, we might be able to unload him at the deadline for a seventh round pick. Nobody is touching a contact that runs until June 2026 at six million per year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Markstrom is one of the worst goalies in the league, and on one of the worst possible contracts. NOBODY is taking him off our hands.

Last year called and wants its take back.

Jack Campbell is paid $5M to stink up the AHL. Bobrovsky makes $10M and has the same save% as Markstrom this year. Elvis M. makes $5.4m in Columbus and he's worse than Markstrom. Grubauer has nosedived.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Markstrom is one of the worst goalies in the league by almost any statistical measure. If he was a pending UFA, we might be able to unload him at the deadline for a seventh round pick. Nobody is touching a contact that runs until June 2026 at six million per year.

Except for save % and GAA. There are plenty worse among starters.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

2.75 GAA (his career norm, because he spends most of his time on bad teams) and .903 (again, bad roster) is objectively not one of the worst goalies in the league.

2 more years at the 7th-highest cap hit for the position is also objectively not one of the worst possible contracts.

Look things up.

I'm looking at his stats for 2022-23. Appeared in 59 games, 2.92 GAA, .892 save percentage.

Of goalies that appeared in more than half their team's games, only Martin Jones, James Reimer, and Jake Allen had a worse save percentage. He's terrible, and at six million a year, he's expensively terrible.

[Jason14h]

Markstrum isn’t great , but has time where he can be great

His contract isn’t good - but it isn’t completely prohibitive either

There are a lot of teams who would see Markstrum as an upgrade for them . The question is can you find one with a way to make cap work (ideally
Dumping a goalie back on Flames to help their cap hit ) and what a return then looks like

I think a 2nd and a cap dump probably is in the ballpark ? Assuming the cap dump is close to Markstrum AAV

[redmile04]

Inconsistent instead of good or bad is how I would describe Markstrom. Amazing season in 21/22 sandwiched with a poor and horrible season. Had higher hopes for him after a .918 season with a horrible Vancouver D and the 21/22 Markstrom is what i expect but not just 1/4 seasons. I know there is other factors but at 6 million...not a great contract but not as dire as some say with moving the contract. He can get to the 21/22 level but with a good defensive team, it just wont sustain more than a year ( based on past good seasons and follow ups)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm looking at his stats for 2022-23. Appeared in 59 games, 2.92 GAA, .892 save percentage.

Of goalies that appeared in more than half their team's games, only Martin Jones, James Reimer, and Jake Allen had a worst save percentage. He's terrible, and at six million a year, he's expensively terrible.

Go look at this season - we are almost a quarter through. Or 2021-22. Why cherry pick one year?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm looking at his stats for 2022-23. Appeared in 59 games, 2.92 GAA, .892 save percentage.

Of goalies that appeared in more than half their team's games, only Martin Jones, James Reimer, and Jake Allen had a worse save percentage. He's terrible, and at six million a year, he's expensively terrible.

He had a terrible year - horrible - no one is debating that

But he’s looked relatively solid this year - not amazing - but solid

A lot of teams aren’t even getting that this season

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Go look at this season - we are almost a quarter through. Or 2021-22. Why cherry pick one year?

Cherry pick a year? I'm not going back four seasons to cherry pick a stat. This was his overall save percentage over 59 games last season. I'd say by any reasonable measure, that's an accurate representation of how good he is.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Inconsistent instead of good or bad is how I would describe Markstrom. Amazing season in 21/22 sandwiched with a poor and horrible season. Had higher hopes for him after a .918 season with a horrible Vancouver D and the 21/22 Markstrom is what i expect but not just 1/4 seasons. I know there is other factors but at 6 million...not a great contract but not as dire as some say with moving the contract. He can get to the 21/22 level but with a good defensive team, it just wont sustain more than a year ( based on past good seasons and follow ups)

I give him a pass in his first year here. He was fine at the beginning, got concussed and probably came back too early which led to poor play. At the end of the season he was back into form.

He was obviously great in 21-22. And bad in 22-23. I actually think his play now is reflective of what he is. He certainly hasn't been a negative factor this year so far. Eg: There were zero bad goals last night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Cherry pick a year? I'm not going back four seasons to cherry pick a stat. This was his overall save percentage over 59 games last season. I'd say by any reasonable measure, that's an accurate representation of how good he is.

4 seasons? He hasn't even played 4 full seasons here. Yes, you are picking one out of 4 seasons as a Flame. That's cherry picking. Why not pick his stats right now?

You made a claim about right now and want to back it up with last year's stats. Either take all his stats or take the most recent.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

4 seasons? He hasn't even played 4 full seasons here. Yes, you are picking one out of 4 seasons as a Flame. That's cherry picking. Why not pick his stats right now?

You made a claim about right now and want to back it up with last year's stats. Either take all his stats or take the most recent.

I'm not sure why a season of his from four years ago with the Canucks would have any bearing on his current trade value. I'm not cherry picking any stats, I'm going off his most recent body of work, which by any measure, is terrible.

Markstrom has made 71 appearances for the Flames since the start of last season. Only six other goalies have made that many, so he's definitely a workhorse, I'll give him that.

Of the 21 goalies with more than fifty appearances in that time, Markstrom has the worst save percentage with .894. Case closed. He's terrible.

[dissentowner]

Markstrom has been hung out to dry so much while this team learns zone D it isn't funny. Constant high danger chances against and Hasek in his prime is not looking great either. Markstrom has been pretty damn good this year.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Markstrom has been hung out to dry so much while this team learns zone D it isn't funny. Constant high danger chances against and Hasek in his prime is not looking great either. Markstrom has been pretty damn good this year.

Out of the 74 goalies to make an appearance this season, Markstrom is 24th in GAA with 2.75, and 34th in save percentage with .903. He's 61st out of 74 in total goals against (33), and 14th in total saves made with 307. The only thing remarkable about him is what an unremarkable season he's having.

He carries the seventh highest cap hit for a goalie, and we're stuck paying him for another two seasons after this one. He has massive negative trade value.

[1qqaaz]

The Flames are actually the 6th best in terms of high danger shots against.
But the point still stands, Markstrom has been average at-worst this season. Pretty good overall. Really, I'm just glad he's not allowing goals on the first shot of the game. That in of itself is a positive change from last year.

Now Vladar, on the other hand, has been a statistical nightmare to start the season. He's 72nd out of 74 goalies in save percentage above expected and goals saved above expected per 60. He's 68th out of 74 in wins above replacement. His save percentage is 85.8%

Small sample size (4 games), but he was bottom 10 in most of these metrics last season as well.

If Vladar has any value whatsoever, they should ship him and just use Wolf.
Markstrom, I think has a lot of value with just 1 mill of retention. But I doubt ownership allows that to happen.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Markstrom is one of the worst goalies in the league by almost any statistical measure. If he was a pending UFA, we might be able to unload him at the deadline for a seventh round pick. Nobody is touching a contact that runs until June 2026 at six million per year.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1725901191400325350

One of the worst you say?

It doesn't match the eye test this year. He was one of the worst last year, no questions about it. He has been our most consistent and valuable player so far this season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm not sure why a season of his from four years ago with the Canucks would have any bearing on his current trade value. I'm not cherry picking any stats, I'm going off his most recent body of work, which by any measure, is terrible.

Markstrom has made 71 appearances for the Flames since the start of last season. Only six other goalies have made that many, so he's definitely a workhorse, I'll give him that.

Of the 21 goalies with more than fifty appearances in that time, Markstrom has the worst save percentage with .894. Case closed. He's terrible.

I never mentioned any of his seasons with the Canucks. Are you sure you know this player's hiustory at all? Did you think his injury came with the Canucks? It came PLAYING the Canucks.

His most recent body of work is this year. Judge him on his current play.

[GioforPM]

Apparently we judge goalies by 2022-23. Therefore Skinner is fine. And Gustaffson - whew!!