Not really seeing as Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev were already on record that they wanted out
Slightly different nuances though. Hanifin and Lindholm said that they wanted to wait and see what happens with the team first, and both were apparently negotiating fairly recently until the wheels fell off again. It's not quite the same as asking for a trade now, even if they know it means they will likely be traded and they are OK with that. It is like what Tkachuk did. Indications were that he was prepared to play out his last year, but he also knew that by saying he wasn't re-signing, it would mean a trade.
I must have missed the Tanev remarks, so I can't comment on him.
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Slightly different nuances though. Hanifin and Lindholm said that they wanted to wait and see what happens with the team first, and both were apparently negotiating fairly recently until the wheels fell off again. It's not quite the same as asking for a trade now, even if they know it means they will likely be traded and they are OK with that. It is like what Tkachuk did. Indications were that he was prepared to play out his last year, but he also knew that by saying he wasn't re-signing, it would mean a trade.
I must have missed the Tanev remarks, so I can't comment on him.
When Friedman blasted that the deal was basically done and then Hanifin said lol actually no and then everything was walked back is the same to me.
Is this serious or a joke? Flames fans need to get this Nylander fantasy out of their heads. I highly doubt the Leafs are trading him to anyone but almost certainly not to the Flames who have nothing enticing to offer.
If Tre learned his lesson well from the Gaudreau fiasco, Nylander will come to a similar situation next season if Tre does not get that contract done in time. Regardless if this was a fantasy trade, the 3 Dmen that the Flames are willing to give up are not like a bag of pucks - they're actually worthwhile pieces for any cup contending team. In addition, I think Markstrom going to any good offensive and defensive team would boost that team to a whole new level and a true Cup contender. If Tre thinks the Leafs are that close and having 2 or more of the pieces I mentioned for Nylander, that's still something to consider. Just like the Flames gave up Brett Hull to get the players they want to win the Cup. Also, I think the Flames need to outright win this trade once and for all. The Leafs owe us one good trade at least.
You can't see a difference between a guy asking for a trade and going to the media where all the players are going to be immediately asked about it vs a guy asking for a trade and it not getting out to the media?
And I promise they don't all get out to the media.
I am saying the difference is immaterial. And they all DID get out to the media (the ones from this team, this year)
(start at around 7:06 into the video, for the tail end of Noodles' point and then Rhett's counterpoint)
Pinder at 5:30 makes a great point. He questions this management team if they thought Hanifin at $60 Million was a a good idea. And then later he and Rhett really kind of nail it.
I am very tired of the whiners and apologists that bemoan how Calgary MUST overpay for players.
KC Chiefs
Green Bay Packers
Pittsburgh Steelers
Milwaukee Bucks
Just a start but those teams don't have to pay a cold weather tax. They sell winning and culture. It may not work on every player, but you don't have to sign every player.
Build a culture of excellence and attract the players that care about that. Pinder made a nice point how after the 2004 run there was some buzz around the Flames and they attracted some players on reasonable deals.
The New York Yankees and LA Dodgers can afford to build a team of mercenaries who are overpaid and highly skilled. Not the Flames.
I really hope Conroy and team are taking a step back after all that has happened with Huberdeau, Kadri and the negotiations with Lindholm and Hanifin.
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Love hearing all the interest Zadorov is getting. Was a little worried management would sign him to an expensive long term deal. Hopefully even more teams show interest and really drive up the prices to help kick our rebuild into high gear.
Build a culture of excellence and attract the players that care about that. Pinder made a nice point how after the 2004 run there was some buzz around the Flames and they attracted some players on reasonable deals..
35 year old Tony Amonte?
33 year old Darren McCarty?
31 year old Roman Hamrlik?
That had everything to do with player movement post new world cap era, nothing to do with buzz.
I like the sentiment from Pinder but it's a little disjointed from reality. You've listed four teams from two professional leagues, and from the two there is only one Canadian team between them both. Even in the NHL the New York Rangers and LA Kings can't afford a team of mercenaries, the cap and the way hockey works prevents this.. the Flames can build a winner, it's just more difficult than Boston, Toronto, Detroit etc etc.
Boston Mass native Noah Hanifin isn't going to give the Calgary Alberta Canada Flames much of a discount, he might with his home team or a city nearby. That's not an excuse, that's reality. It doesn't excuse losing however, but we shouldn't pretend it's a non issue.
Pinder at 5:30 makes a great point. He questions this management team if they thought Hanifin at $60 Million was a a good idea. And then later he and Rhett really kind of nail it.
I am very tired of the whiners and apologists that bemoan how Calgary MUST overpay for players.
KC Chiefs
Green Bay Packers
Pittsburgh Steelers
Milwaukee Bucks
Just a start but those teams don't have to pay a cold weather tax. They sell winning and culture. It may not work on every player, but you don't have to sign every player.
Build a culture of excellence and attract the players that care about that. Pinder made a nice point how after the 2004 run there was some buzz around the Flames and they attracted some players on reasonable deals.
The New York Yankees and LA Dodgers can afford to build a team of mercenaries who are overpaid and highly skilled. Not the Flames.
I really hope Conroy and team are taking a step back after all that has happened with Huberdeau, Kadri and the negotiations with Lindholm and Hanifin.
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The NFL is the one league where there doesn’t appear to be much of a market bias unlike the NHL and NBA. The Bucks are only good because they picked one generational player. A player can transform an organization especially in basketball. They are lucky Giannis is loyal
It is possible in the NHL too. Only reason the Oilers won’t win a Cup is because of horrific management. Objectively to have McDavid and be one of the worst teams in the league is all because their management is terrible, not because they are in a small market.
In the NHL there are 17 larger metro areas than Tampa, 18 larger metro areas than Colorado, 19 larger than St. Louis, I guess the question is what is a small market. If over half the league is in metro areas that are larger than your area you are definitely not in a big market.
The NFL is the one league where there doesn’t appear to be much of a market bias unlike the NHL and NBA. The Bucks are only good because they picked one generational player. A player can transform an organization especially in basketball. They are lucky Giannis is loyal
Huge wads of TV money for every team will do that for you. There's no such thing as an NFL club with an internal budget.
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It is possible in the NHL too. Only reason the Oilers won’t win a Cup is because of horrific management. Objectively to have McDavid and be one of the worst teams in the league is all because their management is terrible, not because they are in a small market.
That, and McDavid only plays on half of the rink. If that's your best player and you cater to him, your whole team is going to be flawed, even if your management is otherwise good.
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In the NHL there are 17 larger metro areas than Tampa, 18 larger metro areas than Colorado, 19 larger than St. Louis, I guess the question is what is a small market. If over half the league is in metro areas that are larger than your area you are definitely not in a big market.
True, but the bottom few markets are so small that they're at a major disadvantage. If I had to describe the Tampa, Colorado, and St. Louis markets, I would call them all ‘big enough’. They all support teams in other major-league sports. You can't say that about the likes of Columbus, Winnipeg, or alas, Calgary.
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The NFL is the one league where there doesn’t appear to be much of a market bias unlike the NHL and NBA. The Bucks are only good because they picked one generational player. A player can transform an organization especially in basketball. They are lucky Giannis is loyal
Hopefully Giannis stays loyal, we'll see. But Nuggets, Spurs, Raptors have banners hanging too and those aren't destinations.
You have Lebron and his West Beach and LA decisions but by and large, it seems many athletes want to win. Especially when they know the money is largely the same.
Huge wads of TV money for every team will do that for you. There's no such thing as an NFL club with an internal budget.
That, and McDavid only plays on half of the rink. If that's your best player and you cater to him, your whole team is going to be flawed, even if your management is otherwise good.
True, but the bottom few markets are so small that they're at a major disadvantage. If I had to describe the Tampa, Colorado, and St. Louis markets, I would call them all ‘big enough’. They all support teams in other major-league sports. You can't say that about the likes of Columbus, Winnipeg, or alas, Calgary.
The small market thing is just code for Canadian. Even a market like Columbus (2.2 million) is not much smaller than St. Louis (2.8 million). There are no really small markets in the states.
The small market thing is just code for Canadian. Even a market like Columbus (2.2 million) is not much smaller than St. Louis (2.8 million). There are no really small markets in the states.
In the U.S., 2.2 million is a small market. Columbus is the 32nd-largest media market in the country. The only smaller ones with NHL teams are Vegas and Buffalo. If the Sabres hadn't been around since 1970, I very much doubt Buffalo would be on anyone's list for an NHL team now.
Meanwhile, no one would be dumb enough to call Toronto or Montreal small markets, even though they are much smaller than the largest U.S. metro areas.
Sometimes ‘small market’ is just code for ‘small market’.
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Hopefully Giannis stays loyal, we'll see. But Nuggets, Spurs, Raptors have banners hanging too and those aren't destinations.
You have Lebron and his West Beach and LA decisions but by and large, it seems many athletes want to win. Especially when they know the money is largely the same.
Toronto traded for and then lost of the biggest reasons they won, so hardly a good example.
35 year old Tony Amonte?
33 year old Darren McCarty?
31 year old Roman Hamrlik?
That had everything to do with player movement post new world cap era, nothing to do with buzz.
I like the sentiment from Pinder but it's a little disjointed from reality. You've listed four teams from two professional leagues, and from the two there is only one Canadian team between them both. Even in the NHL the New York Rangers and LA Kings can't afford a team of mercenaries, the cap and the way hockey works prevents this.. the Flames can build a winner, it's just more difficult than Boston, Toronto, Detroit etc etc.
Boston Mass native Noah Hanifin isn't going to give the Calgary Alberta Canada Flames much of a discount, he might with his home team or a city nearby. That's not an excuse, that's reality. It doesn't excuse losing however, but we shouldn't pretend it's a non issue.
They used to talk about the Russian issue. Ie don’t draft players from Russia.
I think we have to talk about the US East Coast issue. Not to paint all players from the US east coast with the same brush, but we’ve had bad experiences with players from the us east coast wanting to stay here. Gaudreau, Fox, Drury,Hanifin to name a few. Scouting team needs to vet players before drafting them.
Players from the us midwest seem more agreeable to committing to Canadian market. Kyle Connor signed a team friendly deal with Winnipeg. Joel Otto stayed in town after he retired.
Need to draft and develop players who are open to being here for the long term. Don’t want us having to sell players who are reluctant to play here. Find players who want to play here and commit long term.
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They used to talk about the Russian issue. Ie don’t draft players from Russia.
I think we have to talk about the US East Coast issue. Not to paint all players from the US east coast with the same brush, but we’ve had bad experiences with players from the us east coast wanting to stay here. Gaudreau, Fox, Drury,Hanifin to name a few. Scouting team needs to vet players before drafting them.
Players from the us midwest seem more agreeable to committing to Canadian market. Kyle Connor signed a team friendly deal with Winnipeg. Joel Otto stayed in town after he retired.
Need to draft and develop players who are open to being here for the long term. Don’t want us having to sell players who are reluctant to play here. Find players who want to play here and commit long term.
I've never agreed with this notion.
Take the best player.
Still better to draft a player that either won't come, or won't sign a second contract then to reduce your pool of players.
Take the Fox pick ...
Next ten players taken after Fox that year were the following ...
Matt Filipe
Cam Dineen
Cliff Pu
Will Bitten
Josh Anderson
J.D. Greenway
Joey Anderson
Hudson Elynuik
Jack LaFontaine
Rem Pitlick
Only two guys have played a game in that group and they're both American as well.
Draft the asset and manage it the best you can.
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