11-14-2023, 02:41 PM
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by Buff
Eliminate the loser point. Don't even bother with points, just have wins and losses and go with win percentage.
10 minutes of 3 on 3. The players will get tired and make mistakes.
I would be interested in not allowing them to bring the puck back past the red line when playing 3 on 3 though.
I don't like 3 on 3 when the game itself is 5 on 5 but 3 on 3 does create some exciting plays when the teams are playing to win and not to just "not lose". Need to end the games quickly and 3 on 3 does create more opportunities to end it.
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Eliminating the loser point is key. Until the incentive to play for a tie is removed, we are going to keep finding ourselves back in the same situation.
People always optimize to the rewards. As long as that loser point reward is there, people will figure out how work around the rules to get it.
We have seen this how many times already? New rules are introduced to eliminate/reduce ties and make the game more exciting. It works for a little bit, then teams adjust and figure out new ways to get that point. Then repeat with the next rule changes.
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11-14-2023, 02:47 PM
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#82
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I feel like not allowing teams to bring the puck out of the offensive blueline would solve a lot of OT issues. If teams want to maintain possession, they have to do it within the offensive zone, and cannot bring the puck out themselves to regroup.
Not even sure a penalty would be needed, but I do like the 3 on 2 suggestion.
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11-14-2023, 02:49 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Two pucks. No sticks. One bear on skates.
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This is an excellent suggestion.
Maybe there should be a fan union.
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11-14-2023, 02:53 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
I feel like not allowing teams to bring the puck out of the offensive blueline would solve a lot of OT issues. If teams want to maintain possession, they have to do it within the offensive zone, and cannot bring the puck out themselves to regroup.
Not even sure a penalty would be needed, but I do like the 3 on 2 suggestion.
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That's probably the simplest solution. Just blow it down like an offside if they exit the zone after entering.
It's hard to control what bears do though. I could see the bear going offside a lot.
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11-14-2023, 02:54 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
That's probably the simplest solution. Just blow it down like an offside if they exit the zone after entering.
It's hard to control what bears do though. I could see the bear going offside a lot.
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Oh! Easy. "No Offsides for Bears."
Sorted.
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11-14-2023, 02:55 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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3 for regulation win
2 for OT win (10 min 5-on-5)
1 for tie
0 for any type of loss.
Get rid of loser point, give incentive for teams to try to push for the win at the end of the regulation, or in overtime. Those points will really matter during the playoff race during the last segment of the season.
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11-14-2023, 02:58 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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better plan just end in a draw, it's not like this makes any difference to US support anyways
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11-14-2023, 02:58 PM
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#88
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I feel like removing the loser point (and still giving 1 point for a tie) will only make things worse. Players are risk averse and will fear the loss of losing the 1 point more than gaining the extra point for an OT win.
It might get more interesting closer to the end of the season.
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11-14-2023, 03:01 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
I feel like removing the loser point (and still giving 1 point for a tie) will only make things worse. Players are risk averse and will fear the loss of losing the 1 point more than gaining the extra point for an OT win.
It might get more interesting closer to the end of the season.
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For the first half of the season, that could be the case, which is no different from how it is now, since teams would prefer to take the point. But in the second half, the pressure of the math could be enough of an incentive to push teams to go for the win to get more points, especially in the last month of the season. If it helps make the playoff chase more exciting league wide, that's a net benefit for the NHL.
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11-14-2023, 03:09 PM
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#90
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Frankly I don't care what they do as long as they get rid of the shoot out
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11-14-2023, 03:16 PM
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#91
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer
People always optimize to the rewards. As long as that loser point reward is there, people will figure out how work around the rules to get it.
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I agree absolutely.
Scotty Bowman agrees with us both. He was opposed to the loser point from the moment it was introduced.
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11-14-2023, 03:20 PM
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#92
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Zero points for losing. Big fan of that.
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11-14-2023, 03:22 PM
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#93
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Apparently the Flames have already workshopped this idea.
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Seems like the Bruins get an unfair advantage.
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11-14-2023, 04:53 PM
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#94
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Already said very well but I'll just throw in my two cents as well, three on three is a complete circus on a sideshow. I say play 10 minutes of four on four and then end it in a tie
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11-14-2023, 04:59 PM
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#95
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
Already said very well but I'll just throw in my two cents as well, three on three is a complete circus on a sideshow. I say play 10 minutes of four on four and then end it in a tie
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Insufficient number of Bears.
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11-14-2023, 05:00 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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3-2-1 points system. That's the only change that needs to be made.
0 points for losing in SO or 3V3 OT is too extreme for what are gimmicks, and I don't think ongoing 5v5 is feasible with the TV partners and travel in the regular season. Think the answer has been right in front of them for years but they have refused to do it.
3 points for regulation win
2 points for OT/SO win
1 point for OT/SO loss.
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11-14-2023, 05:56 PM
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#97
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Make 3 v 3 10 minutes. Bring back tie. A 10 min 3 on 3 would almost assuredly end sooner than that. If no team was able to get 2 points beyond OT, no team would play for it outside of a team actually only needing 1 point for some reason, which would be very rare. Maybe make the win worth 3 and a draw worth 1 just to boost it.
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11-14-2023, 06:36 PM
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#98
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2 points for a win.
Zero points for a loss.
After 60, play 3 on 3 until someone scores. No rule modifications, just play hockey.
It's that simple.
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11-14-2023, 08:16 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Insufficient number of Bears.
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I lol'd.
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11-14-2023, 08:34 PM
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#100
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sunnyvale
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bc-chris
one of the rules we have in men's league for OT is you are not allowed to do a line/player change at a whistle - changes only happen on the fly.
lots of scoring chances when there are tired guys defending!
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Men’s league OT? Just cuts into beers drinking time.
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