Zadorov just requested a trade. 😢

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Is this serious or a joke? Flames fans need to get this Nylander fantasy out of their heads. I highly doubt the Leafs are trading him to anyone but almost certainly not to the Flames who have nothing enticing to offer.

get rid of Hanafin, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev, Markstrom, everyone else and offer him 15Mx4 or something

maybe some agents can "leak" that his home town Flames have an offer ready so don't sign any measly 12M offer with the Leafs

Flames can have Kadri, Huberdeau, Nylander, Ras, Weegar

and young guns the current ones and all the assets pick up in the firesale

bbbut the cap...who cares, 15M less to blow on 4th liners in free agency

[jayswin]

No star UFA takes 4 years, regardless of AAV. It's fantasy.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No star UFA takes 4 years, regardless of AAV. It's fantasy.

Auston Matthews says hello.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No star UFA takes 4 years, regardless of AAV. It's fantasy.

meanwhile Toronto's best player just did...you just search my posts to argue
yeah its fantasy but "leaking" your willingness to give him big money just causes more chaos
All these win now teams are going to have MASSIVE pressure on them...what's the worst that happens to the Flames? they lose and get a better pick
oh noes!

Flames poor start has actually taken all pressure off the situation...they are in no rush to do anything, won't be signing any bad contracts, setting themselves up to have a ton of legitimate cap space for next season.

Leafs want Zadorov? good for them, he is under contract to the Flames and if you want him you gotta pay and be by far the best offer. Let their media overhype him all they want.

[jayswin]

upcoming UFA that just got traded and has no ties to to our team? Matthews is a life long Leaf that came to an agreement to keep playing in his NHL home. Nylander gets traded to Calgary and we're battling against literally any offer any number of NHL teams would put out.

It would for all intents and purposes be a UFA offer for a super star forward. In that context 4 years is fantasy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

upcoming UFA that just got traded and has no ties to to our team? Matthews is a life long Leaf that came to an agreement to keep playing in his NHL home. Nylander gets traded to Calgary and we're battling against literally any offer any number of NHL teams would put out.

It would for all intents and purposes be a UFA offer for a super star forward. In that context 4 years is fantasy.

you didn't read my post obviously...don't trade for Nylander

trade those players for assets, make it known that you would offer Nylander a ridiculous contract as UFA the Leafs couldn't possibly match. You don't think his agent is poking around??

I was responding to "the Leafs aren't trading him to anyone let alone the Flames"

okay good for them, so what is the plan if he won't sign their 11M offer (I wouldn't) Every single day Nylander gains more leverage. Honestly it reminds me a lot of Gaudreau but the player is younger and more sought after.

[butterfly]

All these players did too. Not sure if you'd classify them as "stars" when they signed them, but it happens.

The Matthews one was a great "overpay" because you are buying the prime of the career and not a moment more. I'd much rather someone else give them a retirement contract.

[dino7c]

It was more an example of being aggressive with players and teams

NHL is weird, its an old boys club...don't offer sheet or else, don't poach players, don't drive the market up.

"Leafs wouldn't trade him to anybody, let alone the Flames"

yeah #### that, they will trade him, lose him, or overpay him...as a rebuilding team with cap to burn I would make sure of it. They can also overpay for Zadorov and Tanev...they need them more than the Flames. Or someone else does.

Leafs media thinks the Flames are going to hand over Zadorov because "he's just what we need" lol

that is more reason to hold out

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by butterfly

All these players did too. Not sure if you'd classify them as "stars" when they signed them, but it happens.

The Matthews one was a great "overpay" because you are buying the prime of the career and not a moment more. I'd much rather someone else give them a retirement contract.

That's a terrible chart to prove that star UFA's sign for 4 years. 80% of those aren't stars and 90% were 30-35 when signing those contracts. Lol, c'mon man.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Is this serious or a joke? Flames fans need to get this Nylander fantasy out of their heads. I highly doubt the Leafs are trading him to anyone but almost certainly not to the Flames who have nothing enticing to offer.

Originally Posted by dino7c

get rid of Hanafin, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev, Markstrom, everyone else and offer him 15Mx4 or something

Originally Posted by dino7c

you didn't read my post obviously...don't trade for Nylander

Just read what you responded to, that's the chain I was following. He started with trading for Nylander, you responded to that and weren't clear that you were parting ways from his suggestion that you responded to. My apologies, regardless, that's fine, I understand now that you were departing from who you were responding to.

[dino7c]

I never said trade for him
Flames don't need him now

Leak that you will offer him 15M as UFA...what's the worst that happens

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Klingberg isn’t even a downgrade from Zadorov, just a bottom pairing guy with different flaws. Going from Klingberg to Zadorov doesn’t hurt the Flames at all especially with where we are.

If you can get a first for that swap that is an absolute steal. Zadorov is getting very overrated here.

This is not at all true.

Klingberg is terrible in his own zone. All the time. Zadorov is a good defender who makes the occasional terrible play defensively. They are not the same, and anyone who thinks they are, needs to spend more time watching Klingberg.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's a terrible chart to prove that star UFA's sign for 4 years. 80% of those aren't stars and 90% were 30-35 when signing those contracts. Lol, c'mon man.

I offered you a rebuttal with Matthews. Then, I offered that list. There are stars signing 4-year UFA deals on it, perhaps not at an age you'd like.

The Sharks offered Marleau a 4-year deal at the same age the Flames offered Huberdeau 8 years!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Leak that you will offer him 15M as UFA...what's the worst that happens

The worst that happens is that the team gets fined and loses draft picks for tampering, and is forbidden to make any offer at all to Nylander.

There's a very good reason why you never see teams pull this kind of stunt during a season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The worst that happens is that the team gets fined and loses draft picks for tampering, and is forbidden to make any offer at all to Nylander.

There's a very good reason why you never see teams pull this kind of stunt during a season.

come on now...agents let things slip all the time. You obviously can't make that kinda offer but you can suggest what you think a player like that is worth. Do you honestly not think that kinda thing happens...agents talk to GMs all the time

no more mr. nice guy, look where it has gotten us

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is not at all true.

Klingberg is terrible in his own zone. All the time. Zadorov is a good defender who makes the occasional terrible play defensively. They are not the same, and anyone who thinks they are, needs to spend more time watching Klingberg.

Zadorov also has a career high of 22 points
Klinberg 67 points

Flames could take him in a cap dump and have him play PP time and 3rd pair and it wouldn't be some huge downgrade on the ice

Worse D and better O

its amazing how some guys get built up and some get knocked down. Heck Klinberg had 37 last year and 47 the year before.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now...agents let things slip all the time. You obviously can't make that kinda offer but you can suggest what you think a player like that is worth.

The league is quite clear that that constitutes tampering.

Do you honestly not think that kinda thing happens...

I am morally certain that the kind of thing you are suggesting, with a specific statement that a team is prepared to tender an offer with specific numbers, does not happen during the season. It clearly does happen in the run-up period to free agency, but by that time everyone knows which players are going to free agency and which ones will re-sign with their teams.

agents talk to GMs all the time

Yes, and they are absolutely forbidden to talk about future contract offers with one team while their client is still under contract with another.

no more mr. nice guy, look where it has gotten us

Yeah, it's gotten us not fined or stripped of draft picks.

Anyway, it would be ridiculous to offer Nylander $15 million a year. He would be 28 when the contract kicks in, and well on in his thirties by the time the Flames were ready to compete for anything. Meanwhile, 15 for Nylander would be as gross an overpayment as 10.5 for Huberdeau. You know, there isn't actually a rule requiring a bad team to tie up every possible dollar in retirement contracts for aging players.

[dino7c]

oh sweet summer child, the league is full of ####

its amazing teams sign players to 80M contracts 2 mins into free agency with no tampering

and I think you missed the 4 year part...Nylander is retiring at 32?? lol
I would rather overpay a star by 4M to ensure you get them for a few years then spend that extra money on 3rd and 4th liner

I don't think any of this will happen just saying...his agent will be out there trying to gauge the market, if I'm the Flames I imply the market is looking pretty damn good

The rumored Lindholm and Hanifin deals were what 7.5 and 8.5?

That's 16M

I would rather have Nylander and say troy Stetcher...but that's just me. I know its a ridiculous overpay but that is the price to come here on a short deal...it probably doesn't work but the Leafs or whoever end up paying more which is a win anyway.

This is all a hypothetical to the poster saying "they won't trade him to anyone, especially Calgary" I don't think it would actually happen. If I ran the Flames a team like the Leafs wouldn't be pushing me around...they are the team in the desperate situation, not us.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

oh sweet summer child

its amazing teams sign players to 80M contracts 2 mins into free agency with no tampering

Yeah, it's almost as if there's a difference between negotiating on the Q.T. after the season ends versus six months ahead of time. I mentioned that; did you miss it? Or do you really think agents start negotiating terms with third-party teams when their client has barely started the last season of his current deal?

If any team made a contract offer to Nylander at this point, the Leafs could sue the team for tampering, the player for breach of contract, and the agent for breach of fiduciary duty. That would not exactly please the lawyers who run the NHL.

Teams have been fined for tampering in the past over much smaller matters than this.

and I think you missed the 4 year part

I didn't miss it. Nylander would still be in his thirties by the time the team was good enough to benefit from having him. He doesn't age at a different rate based on the number of years in his contract.

I would rather overpay a star by 4M for a few years then spend that money on 3rd and 4th liner

But why, if the team is doing a full rebuild anyway? They won't have anyone to play with Nylander, and winning a few extra games per year will only leave them worse off in the long run.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by butterfly

All these players did too. Not sure if you'd classify them as "stars" when they signed them, but it happens.

The Matthews one was a great "overpay" because you are buying the prime of the career and not a moment more. I'd much rather someone else give them a retirement contract.

Yet, not one was a star UFA signing with a new team.