[PGT] There was a 4-1 hockey game I guess

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think his coaching decision was bad. I think his Toffolli trade was rushed and the return was bad. I like that he is more supportive of young players getting a shot which is good.

He is in the record saying this is a good team, and they are in a lottery position an his coach and trade acquisition both seem like flops.

I'm not saying he will be a terrible GM. I'm saying this team needed a completely new perspective on players, and clearly Conroy over estimates both his current players and his previous assistant coach (which is what happens when you only promote from within).

All of this is premature to be drawing such strong conclusions against
Do you think he should have just kept Toffoli into the season? I bet you’d be all over him for that if he did it

[dissentowner]

I can't judge Conroy yet but my God did he drop the ball on Brunette. Guy coaches your new star to a 115 point season, had just came in and saved Lindy Ruffs job as an assistant coach turning that Devil's team around, players absolutely love the guy, and you don't offer him the job?? It was the biggest no brainer ever

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You could be the Stanley Cup contenders in 32nd place.

Which is worse?

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

All of this is premature to be drawing such strong conclusions against
Do you think he should have just kept Toffoli into the season? I bet you’d be all over him for that if he did it

I absolutley would have kept Toffolli into the season if that was the best offer on the table. And I don't mind Sharangovic, but Toffolli was a goal scorer on a great contract, he had more value.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You could be the Stanley Cup contenders in 32nd place.

Which is worse?

Oh no doubt, plus those bozos have some Connor kid who’s supposed to be good *shrug*.

I’d also rather not have to use that club as a comparison in futility, that’s like trying to limbo under a +15

[Jiri Hrdina]

Part of the reason they went bargain bin on the new coach is likely because they are paying Darryl 3 or 4m.
I bet Murray put a low number for the budget of the new coach

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Actually, if you go back and watch that year he didn't. That first line never played Sutter's system whatsoever, they did their own thing, the rest of team struggled to score badly because they played that system. Do you not remember Darryl's jabs about them saying that some players were doing their own thing to pad their stats instead of win hockey games? Go back and watch games from that season and see how different line #1 played compared to the other lines.

There was no comparison

1st line was vastly superior in talent

You could argue it was a 1 line team

The rest of the team couldn’t play that style if they wanted to

[Vedder]

Keep in mind the bargain bin can very much be traced back to Treliving's utter incompetence at hiring head coaches.

Peters debacle > Ward debacle > Sutter hired by owner to save core window > franchise players want out

Now we go back to the bargain bin since they're not going to pay for two elite coaches at once.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I absolutley would have kept Toffolli into the season if that was the best offer on the table. And I don't mind Sharangovic, but Toffolli was a goal scorer on a great contract, he had more value.

Not this off season he didn’t

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

All of this is premature to be drawing such strong conclusions against
Do you think he should have just kept Toffoli into the season? I bet you’d be all over him for that if he did it

I mean the craziest thing is they offered Trelieving an extension. He second craziest was offering his protege the job.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's exactly what he is doing, hell even Pat Steinberg who loves Huska has said as much on Flames Talk. He has changed nothing in the offensive zone from what Sutter was implementing. Like if you watch you can see it. Cycle it around, back to the point, shoot with no traffic. Get into the zone, take a shot from the side, goalie sees it all the way, couples of guys come in after hoping for a rebound. Rinse and repeat. This team is too small to play that game.

Can you find me one quote or postgame where Huska says he's deploying a perimeter system? If anything he says the opposite in postgames. He repeatedly says they need more bodies in front of the opposition's net.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

All of this is premature to be drawing such strong conclusions against
Do you think he should have just kept Toffoli into the season? I bet you’d be all over him for that if he did it

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not this off season he didn’t

Then you hold onto him. What was the rush to trade him? Did he say he wasn't going to report? It was rushed for absolutley no reason.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't judge Conroy yet but my God did he drop the ball on Brunette. Guy coaches your new star to a 115 point season, had just came in and saved Lindy Ruffs job as an assistant coach turning that Devil's team around, players absolutely love the guy, and you don't offer him the job?? It was the biggest no brainer ever

What if brunette didn’t want to come here?

[Flamesfan05]

I am pretty sure the Flames want to tank

It’s the only explanation on hiring Conroy and Huska

And do nothing to shake up this sad group of players

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Then you hold onto him. What was the rush to trade him? Did he say he wasn't going to report? It was rushed for absolutley no reason.

So enter the season with all your pending ufas still?
Yeah everyone would have been just fine with that

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am pretty sure the Flames want to tank

It’s the only explanation on hiring Conroy and Huska

And do nothing to shake up this sad group of players

There's a much easier explanation - $$$

[TheSkinner]

When I watch the Flames play and fail, I get less frustrated looking at teams like New Jersey who have accumulated top talent through the draft and more-so by teams like the Bruins. Charlie Coyle and Pavel Zacha are their top two centres. Derek Forbert and Shattenkirk are in their top 4 D. James Van Reimsdyk is somewhere in their middle 6. Yes they have Pasternak and an old Marchand that are top talents. But the rest is meh.

In spite of how the Flames play, they have enough talent to be a good (maybe not great) team.

Watching them is very unenjoyable with the same turnovers at the offensive blue line turning into odd man goals agains and being unable to finish when the finally generate good chances.

[dino7c]

Posters turning on Conroy already

WTF

he is doing exactly what most wanted

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Posters turning on Conroy already

WTF

he is doing exactly what most wanted

Gonna be a long few years for some who can’t stomach even the smallest fraction of what is a rebuild

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lindholm scored 40 goals going to the difficult areas, Mangiapane 30+. Why did they stop? You think Lindholm in a contract year doesn't want to do what got him 40 goals?

I put next to no blame next to the current coaching staff. They’re dealing with a group of entitled and disinterested players that let the team know their intentions in April. Despite renewed optimism in camp, there have been only a few periods of play this season that suggests these guys GAF and want to play with each other.

Time to move on. No coach is fixing this group of spoiled apples.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So enter the season with all your pending ufas still?
Yeah everyone would have been just fine with that

This happens all the time. UFA's are traded during their expiring season. Like, having Toffolli, Lindholm and Hanifin expiring at once is way too much, but just Hanifin and Lindholm is good? You want it both ways.
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