2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How about we stop commenting on whether a kid with less than 10 nhl games will be elite or not and just let them play. Zary could turn out to be elite. First 5 games have been stellar. No reason to put a cap on him.

No reason to slap sky-high expectations on him, either. Let him play out the season, and then everyone will have a better idea of what he can be.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How about we stop commenting on whether a kid with less than 10 nhl games will be elite or not and just let them play. Zary could turn out to be elite. First 5 games have been stellar. No reason to put a cap on him.

Who put a cap on him?

Saying that he hasn't shown any indication that he will be a first line player isn't a cap it is a realistic evaluation of the player based on what he has shown through out his career.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I think the Flames have removed their deadline of getting rid of Hanifin and Lindholm within the first quarter of the season, due to the start. I believe that deadline was self imposed to protect them from themselves if the team was doing well, to avoid holding on to them too long and feeling pressure to keep them for a playoff run. With the start, they know what they have and know what they need to do, so they can be a bit more patient.

To be honest, I think the team being awful made Conroys job a whole lot easier. Those contracts could have been scary added with Huby and Kadris. Now he is in no rush to build his own vision of this team.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Zary and Cornato should be your 5th-6th best players on a true contending team (assuming they work out )

You need 2-3 elite forwards and a couple D

We need to find ELITE talent .

You have to draft it. The Flames.need to go this route. They will go nowhere trying to make a contender out of trade targets.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Ah, yeah I guess I don't view a scorched Earth rebuild in that manner - mostly because I don't think we've ever really seen one that drastic. The closest may be...Toronto when they moved Phil and Phaneuf?

For me, the 'scorched earth' rebuild looks like trading anything that isn't bolted down.

Zadorov, Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin -> if these guys all get dealt with an eye towards tomorrow, that's the most any fan could ever hope to see within 1 season.

For me the most most important part of the “scorched earth” approach is being willing to bottom out. No fantasies about staying competitive while rebuilding this team has to be fine with finishing bottom 5 for multiple years.

That is why I am doubtful when we hear it won’t be scorched earth. I dont trust the owners or management to be willing to accept the pain needed to properly rebuild.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

For me the most most important part of the “scorched earth” approach is being willing to bottom out. No fantasies about staying competitive while rebuilding this team has to be fine with finishing bottom 5 for multiple years.

That is why I am doubtful when we hear it won’t be scorched earth. I dont trust the owners or management to be willing to accept the pain needed to properly rebuild.

I don't see how this team isn't at scorched earth even if they don't want too. They won't have a d core, a #1 centre, and have a forward core that struggles to score. The only thing that will keep this team from cratering is if a goalie goes God mode and drags the team to the playoffs. They also did it after Iggy.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't see how this team isn't at scorched earth even if they don't want too. They won't have a d core, a #1 centre, and have a forward core that struggles to score. The only thing that will keep this team from cratering is if a goalie goes God mode and drags the team to the playoffs. They also did it after Iggy.

Re-signing any of the FAs would be an issue, keeping them and letting them go for free at the end of the year as well and I think keeping Markstrom risks them not actually going as far as they need to.

That could be the difference between a pick 3-5 and a pick 9-12 for me.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I firmly believe that there are 3 types of teams that do 5 year rebuilds:


1) Teams that wait too long and no longer have players of value to deal the year ahead of their rebuild (let's call it this season for Calgary - the last year in which a team was trying to compete, but flopped), and in the subsequent season. This was an issue with the first Calgary rebuild.



2) Teams that are terrible at drafting and development.


Calgary has a nice cast of prospects right now for a team that isn't in or coming out of a rebuild. As we can see, this team has continued finding players deep into a draft. That's what a good drafting team does. Heck, that's what an elite-drafting team does.



The new GM of this team has shown himself to be a good evaluator of talent as a scout and has worked closely with the scouting and development department as well. His philosophy has been "prefer a young kid over a vet if they are close". He has stated that building through the draft is the best way to build a contender. I couldn't be happier and more relieved that it is Conroy at the helm right now, especially since I think it will help retain any of the best scouts that Treliving may have wanted to take with him (something that worried me when he left).


Every team in the NHL needs a tonne of good luck to win a cup. They need the bounces, the right match-ups, and they need even more luck in the health department. The Flames as they stand need a lot of luck just to reach the playoffs. I am glad that it seems that the Flames are about to leverage what they are best at organizationally - drafting and development.


Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev and Hanifin this year, and Backlund, Mangiapane and maybe Dube next year. That leaves Kadri, Huberdeau and Coleman to be solid vets and shoulder the load, while Weegar and Andersson do it on the backend. Vladar-Wolf tandem. Re-sign Sharangovich if he is a fit and not looking for a retirement deal, if not, deal him. I would imagine that he will get a lot more opportunity too, which will increase his stats nicely. Ditto for Duehr.


Ruzicka, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, plus whatever young players/cap dumps you can get in trades, plus whomever is ready to graduate to the NHL.



This team will probably be picking in the bottom 5 for two straight seasons, maybe 3, but unless you are going to make further moves at making your team crappy, or making sure that the goaltending situation is atrocious (it won't be with Wolf and Vladar), then I don't see how you stay picking in the top 5 for five or more years.



This year is year zero - the 'burn it down year'. Pick top 5 (hopefully in top 2 or 3).
+ one year of picking in the top 5
+ one potential year of picking in the top 5, depending.

+ mid-range year
+ bubble year


I count 2-3 years of rebuilding, tops, with a season of solid growth, and a bubble year. That should be around the time that the new building is up. All eyes will be on Calgary.


That's the timeline I see. I do think that if Calgary can remain patient (i.e. if Conroy can keep Edwards patient), that this team can become a very good team thanks to how well it drafts. If not, then I really hope that Conroy can quickly become Cliff Fletcher without Fletcher's 10+ years learning on the job before he finally became an elite GM. Best we could hope for is that Conroy is able to have his finger on the pulse like Darryl had for the first 3-4 years of his tenure as a GM (specifically when he was GM and Coach).


I'm excited if this is really going to happen. If not, well, at least I am still happy that Conroy with his recent experience and philosophy is still the GM, so this team will prioritize the draft and youth anyway. Can still get there in the end, but I think it will be a longer road.

[Shazam]

The only thing Edwards cares about is filling seats. So if the team sucks but people still keep showing up, he's fine with it.

Previous experience has shown that this doesn't happen though.

[Vinny01]

I am curious what the flames and coyotes deal around Hanifin might look like?

Multiple 2nds and a fairly high end prospect?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am curious what the flames and coyotes deal around Hanifin might look like?

Multiple 2nds and a fairly high end prospect?

Better be a really good prospect if there isn’t a first coming back

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Shazam

The only thing Edwards cares about is filling seats. So if the team sucks but people still keep showing up, he's fine with it.

Previous experience has shown that this doesn't happen though.

It’s actually the opposite

All he cares about is winning

He just wants to win every year and won’t accept a proper longer term strategy (he isn’t getting any younger either)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Better be a really good prospect if there isn’t a first coming back

Geekie or Guenther would be the type of prospect I would want. They have an insane amount of 2nds as well that would be appealing to get a few if they wouldn’t include their 1st in the deal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I think the Flames have removed their deadline of getting rid of Hanifin and Lindholm within the first quarter of the season, due to the start. I believe that deadline was self imposed to protect them from themselves if the team was doing well, to avoid holding on to them too long and feeling pressure to keep them for a playoff run. With the start, they know what they have and know what they need to do, so they can be a bit more patient.

When did this deadline to get rid of those two come about? Sure seems like they were negotiating with Hanifin two weeks ago.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

When did this deadline to get rid of those two come about? Sure seems like they were negotiating with Hanifin two weeks ago.

It was originally rumoured to be the 1/4 season mark

[Harry Lime]

I'm sitting here watching a 4-1 Flames game, so I thought that I'd fire off my official guesses for where all of the pending UFAs go.

Zadorov to Leafs for 2024 1st and John Klingberg (toronto retaining to match salaries)

Tanev to Canucks for 2025 2nd and Anthony Beuvillier

Lindholm to Columbus for Kirill Marchenko, Corson Ceulemans and 2024 1st

Hanafin to Dallas for Radek Faksa and Lian Bischel

The Haul

Two 2024 1sts, one 2025 2nd
Lian Bischel (the second coming of Robin Regher)
Kirill Marchenko (pure sniper to play with Huberdeau)
Corson Ceulemans (zone entry specialist defensive prospect)

Faksa, Klingberg and Beauvillier

In this scenario, we would have to shed a forward player on the NHL roster. I'm sure that there are a couple of candidates, personally, I'd also flip Faksa. .....and now the waiting game begins.

[ForeverFlameFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1723519913674039539


Guenther or Geekie please

[Spurs]

With the options both in terms of picks and players Hanifin to Arizona would be a great option for us.

[traptor]

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[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

With the options both in terms of picks and players Hanifin to Arizona would be a great option for us.

Coyotes could offer a good prospect and 3 2nds in different years and wouldn't skip a beat. I think they know that and are willing to overpay to grab Hanifin early. 10 picks in 33-64 between 2024-2026.