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Old 11-11-2023, 12:27 PM   #541
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So with no cap dump coming back what do we think Zadorovs value is?
Mid/Late first?
Two seconds?
Tofolli like with Sharangovich and a third?
33 year old Ekholm got Nashville Schaefer (former 1st rnd), 2023 1st, 2024 4th, and Barrie.

So for Zadorov we should expect a 2nd and a cap dump.
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Old 11-11-2023, 12:27 PM   #542
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If we just picked up Klingberg from Toronto for nothing the Leafs would have to add at least a 2nd to take that terrible contract off their hands. I would say they have to add more.
I think Zadarov is worth a second, so I don't think it is far off. Klingberg doesn't have term
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Old 11-11-2023, 12:29 PM   #543
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Klinberg is UFA no?

he has a M-NTC though
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33 year old Ekholm got Nashville Schaefer (former 1st rnd), 2023 1st, 2024 4th, and Barrie.

So for Zadorov we should expect a 2nd and a cap dump.
Ekholm >>> Zadarov and had some term.
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He's being sheltered by four guys who are underperforming.
So you agree!
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Klinberg is UFA no?
Yeah, who knows feed him a tonne of minutes and maybe get a 4th/5th back or something.
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Yeah, who knows feed him a tonne of minutes and maybe get a 4th/5th back or something.
yeah I just mean its not big deal taking him...if you get the asset you want
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Old 11-11-2023, 12:32 PM   #548
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Pretty crazy how quick a player who wanted to be here long term turned on the city
Turned on the city? That's a bit much. He's got an idea of his value and worth and it doesn't seem to line up with what the Flames are willing to do. He's gotta look out for his best interests, just as the team does.
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He signed it with an expansion team with a ton of cap room that had no expectations of being good any time soon.

Dude has 3 points and is a -1. He obviously wasn't a 3D on Dallas - they let him go for free.
That expansion team with no expectations is ahead of us in the standings. Not to mention the Stars had cap trouble.

And he isn't an offensive defenceman, so not sure why you're concerned with points? He leads his team in blocked shots and hits. Why aren't you counting those? Zadorov regularly leads the Flames in this regard, too.
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If you took on Reaves and Klingberg, I wonder what they'd be willing to give. Markstrom for the two + unprotected 1st?
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He's being sheltered by four guys who are underperforming.
and still being sheltered! You figured it out
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So you agree!
I am saying he's the #5 not because of merit or lack thereof, but because of past performances of the four guys ahead of him. Sadly, for the most part, those past performances haven't continued to present day.

Honestly if he ends up going to the Leafs, wouldn't be surprised to see him get top three minutes there.
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Honestly if he ends up going to the Leafs, wouldn't be surprised to see him get top three minutes there.
Fans would run him out of town
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Markstrom + lindy (50%) for reaves+klingberg+cowan+knies+ unprotected 1st?
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I am saying he's the #5 not because of merit or lack thereof, but because of past performances of the four guys ahead of him. Sadly, for the most part, those past performances haven't continued to present day.

Honestly if he ends up going to the Leafs, wouldn't be surprised to see him get top three minutes there.
I guess Keefe may be a moron but assuming the Leafs are still trying to win there is zero chance Zadorov gets top 3 minutes.

I like Zadorov but he has shown he is no more than a bottom pairing player for a mediocre/bad Flames team where is this notion that he is going to be more than that for a better team coming from?

This year (and every other year) he hasn't played better than anyone ahead of him so how is he not 5th based on merit.
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33 year old Ekholm got Nashville Schaefer (former 1st rnd), 2023 1st, 2024 4th, and Barrie.

So for Zadorov we should expect a 2nd and a cap dump.
I consider Barrie a cap dump, especially with the term he still had, but that’s a good starting point as an example.

I can’t see how we don’t get a first if a cap dump is coming back.
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I am saying he's the #5 not because of merit or lack thereof, but because of past performances of the four guys ahead of him. Sadly, for the most part, those past performances haven't continued to present day.

Honestly if he ends up going to the Leafs, wouldn't be surprised to see him get top three minutes there.
I hope the other GM's in the league see him the way you do!
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https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2735741

Looks like the candidates have narrowed.

I'd just go for picks. Blow the team all the way up.
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Old 11-11-2023, 12:47 PM   #559
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Devils would be great, wish we could somehow key Hotlz
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Old 11-11-2023, 12:49 PM   #560
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https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2735741

Looks like the candidates have narrowed.

I'd just go for picks. Blow the team all the way up.
Gotta take cap back to get good picks. But if they're expiring contracts, who cares?
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