2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Tkachukwagon]

NJ is a good team with bad goaltending. Won’t be surprised if they are interested in Markstrom sooner than later

https://twitter.com/user/status/1723139976425042271

[GioforPM]

^^ That’s a real NHL 2023 trade. That said, I think Marner carrying a puck, getting it to Huberdeau who passed to Matthews has to sound like real potential.

I don’t think they’d bite on including Markstrom. I think Tavares would nix any trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Oh very much disagree.

Markstrom has 2 years left, at a non-prohibitive $6M.

He has demonstrated he isn’t permanently damaged from last year, and GMs know the team in front of him isn’t good.

If he goes on the market, there will be multiple teams interested in hos services, with or without retention.

And NJD should be at the top of the list - Markstrom kicks their window wide open.

Yeah, look what Fla did with “washed up, prohibitive contract” Bobrovsky. NJD are 6th in the league in team scoring. Markstrom probably does just fine there.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

NJ is a good team with bad goaltending. Won’t be surprised if they are interested in Markstrom sooner than later

Yeah, there are a lot of bad starters out there right now. I'd be surprised if they got much value but I think someone take a gamble on him.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by devo22

you don't need to trade everyone, just the pending UFAs.

Lindholm should get you a 1st and a prospect
Hanifin should get you a 1st and a prospect
Zadorov should get you a 2nd/3rd and/or a prospect
Tanev should get you a 3rd or a prospect

and who knows, someone might even be desperate enough to throw you a middle/late pick for Vladar. The Flames would probably have to take contracts back, but that's okay - you need to ice a roster and meet the cap floor. But if they can move the pending UFAs for solid packages of futures, you don't need to go scorched Earth.

Out of thanks. Agreed with everything you said

[This post is terrible]

Teams seem to think the just need find that Ward,Bennington or Aidin Hill. It’s certainly cheaper but you can’t just find a hot goalie, how many goalies did Vegas go through last year.

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t know. Have you looked at the state of goaltending in the league. Multiple playoff bound teams have terrible goaltending. Might be a GM that takes a gamble and Flames don’t need to dump him. It would surprise me but I don’t think it’s super outlandish

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Zary was a 24th overall pick, good not great, has ok not great stats in the AHL over 2 full seasons. Are you really going to say that his first 4 games trump all that? Use 4 game sample size to judge the player over years of watching what he has done prior? That is insane.

McDavid was 18 in his first 4 games and then went on to finish with 48 points in 45 games, do you really think Zary is going to finish this year over a PPG?

We can say he has had a great start while also acknowledging that he is unlikely to be a top level forward in the league.

When MacKinnon was Zary's age he was putting up similar numbers in the NHL that Zary put up in the AHL after dominating Junior.

And when has Coronato shown he can score in the league? 1 goal in 11 games?

I am not saying they are bad players or prospects but to think that they are going to be players that lead your team to a Cup is crazy. They aren't at the level of the players mentioned and there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm not trying to suggest that Zary is the next coming of McDavid. I'm simply trying to show you that the first 4 games, and even the first year of a player are not enough to evaluate if a player has first line potential.

Take a guy like Tkachuk, did he look like a franchise player in his first 5 years with the Flames? How did he look in the COVID season?

Did Bennett look like a 1B first line center with the Flames?

In your original post you mentioned we don't have any prospects that can turn into first line players. I'm pushing back on that, because I can't say it for certainty one way or another. Then you changed the discussion into franchise players. Yet even franchise players don't always make an impact 4, or even 11 games into their career. Gaudreau had a tough first 10 games then he had to sit for a game.

[dustygoon]

Not sure if mentioned, but adding to the goalie rumours.....

On 32 thoughts podcast, they were discussing LA. When talking about their goaltending, Friedman says something like it will be interesting to see what the Kings do in goal. Marek says Talbot is great right now. And EF reiterates to say they will see where this goes. He obviously has something about them looking to upgrade in goal.

So teams needing goalies.....

LA
Oilers
Carolina
Toronto
NJ

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm not trying to suggest that Zary is the next coming of McDavid. I'm simply trying to show you that the first 4 games, and even the first year of a player are not enough to evaluate if a player has first line potential.

Take a guy like Tkachuk, did he look like a franchise player in his first 5 years with the Flames? How did he look in the COVID season?

Did Bennett look like a 1B first line center with the Flames?

In your original post you mentioned we don't have any prospects that can turn into first line players. I'm pushing back on that, because I can't say it for certainty one way or another. Then you changed the discussion into franchise players. Yet even franchise players don't always make an impact 4, or even 11 games into their career. Gaudreau had a tough first 10 games then he had to sit for a game.

I said first line players to win a Cup, isn't that the goal? The guys I listed aren't all franchise players they are the level of player needed to win a Cup.

Take out MacKinnon and Kucherov if you want, we have nobody at the level of Rantanen, Point, Stamkos, Eichel, Stone, Marchand, Pasternak. These are not franchise players, these are top level players needed to win and compete for the Cup. This also ignores the lack of elite players defensively that you need and we don't have either.

Tkachuk, McDavid all showed levels of play before they got to the NHL that when they turned out to be great players there was no surprise, Zary not only hasn't shown that he has shown the opposite.

Sam Bennett is not the level of player we want to get to, at least I hope it isn't.

The discussion has been the same the whole time, nothing was changed. The fact remains we don't have the players on our team or in our system that lead you to Cups, we need to find ways to add those players.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nemec has been a bit of slider. A recent redraft I saw he went middle of the first round. He’s gonna take a while to bake in the minors. NJ is on a bit of an accelerated program now, and if they want a D now they might give up one for the future. They need D - they have Hamilton and a bunch of mid guys.

Would the Flames adding some draft capital to this trade (or Holtz, as someone mentioned earlier) make it happen? If the Flames can get themselves an overabundance of earlier draft picks by trading their UFA's, they can shed some of those picks to enhance the return on other trades. Acquire picks when they're perceived as less valuable - prior to and up to the TDL and deal them when they're perceived as more valuable at the draft.

[FlamesAreOne]

@DarrenDreger

Tor, Van, and NJD are the clubs with strong interest in Zadorov. Tanev, solid right shot Dman is a huge draw and, of course, Hanifin. The Flames are in no hurry to sell assets. If a team steps up in a big way, everything has to be considered. I’m not sensing urgency from Cgy.

Good.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I said first line players to win a Cup, isn't that the goal? The guys I listed aren't all franchise players they are the level of player needed to win a Cup.

Take out MacKinnon and Kucherov if you want, we have nobody at the level of Rantanen, Point, Stamkos, Eichel, Stone, Marchand, Pasternak. These are not franchise players, these are top level players needed to win and compete for the Cup. This also ignores the lack of elite players defensively that you need and we don't have either.

Tkachuk, McDavid all showed levels of play before they got to the NHL that when they turned out to be great players there was no surprise, Zary not only hasn't shown that he has shown the opposite.

Sam Bennett is not the level of player we want to get to, at least I hope it isn't.

The discussion has been the same the whole time, nothing was changed. The fact remains we don't have the players on our team or in our system that lead you to Cups, we need to find ways to add those players.

Okay, was Ovechkin a 1st line player to win a cup with? Until he won the cup that is. Was Eichel in Buffalo?

All the players you listed will be inducted into the HHOF. They're franchise players in my book. And I guess that's why we have a hard time finding common ground in this discussion.

A guy like Zary, is a nice surprise, that kept improving. He had 10P, in 6GP in the AHL this year, that's dominant. He has a point in every game he has played in the NHL so far. You notice him every shift he is on the ice for all the good reasons.

Jason Robertson put up 47P in 60GP in the AHL, and followed it up with 45P in 51GP in his first full season in the NHL. Those are similar stats in the AHL to Zary last year.

Finally, were you projecting a guy like Gio to win a Norris in his first couple of seasons with the Flames? I sure didn't. The point is that we don't know what Zary will become. Sometimes an NHLer's big break comes down to seizing an opportunity. So far Zary has done that, and the safe bet is that he will 'only' become a top6 player, but I'm not ready to bet against him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Not sure if mentioned, but adding to the goalie rumours.....

On 32 thoughts podcast, they were discussing LA. When talking about their goaltending, Friedman says something like it will be interesting to see what the Kings do in goal. Marek says Talbot is great right now. And EF reiterates to say they will see where this goes. He obviously has something about them looking to upgrade in goal.

So teams needing goalies.....

LA
Oilers
Carolina
Toronto
NJ

Goalies that may be available:

Gibson
Binnington
Hart
Saros

All probably more appealing to teams than Markstrom. And of course Markstrom has a NTC.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Okay, was Ovechkin a 1st line player to win a cup with? Until he won the cup that is. Was Eichel in Buffalo?

Are you seriously asking if a multiple time Hart Trophy winner is a player that you can win the Cup with?

This is getting silly now.

All the players you listed will be inducted into the HHOF. They're franchise players in my book. And I guess that's why we have a hard time finding common ground in this discussion.

I guess my level of franchise player is much higher than yours, I think franchise players are pretty rare and at most teams will have 2-3.

A guy like Zary, is a nice surprise, that kept improving. He had 10P, in 6GP in the AHL this year, that's dominant. He has a point in every game he has played in the NHL so far. You notice him every shift he is on the ice for all the good reasons.

Its 6 games though, another tiny sample size. Crazy to use those small sample sizes to ignore the much larger sample sizes that we have.

Jason Robertson put up 47P in 60GP in the AHL, and followed it up with 45P in 51GP in his first full season in the NHL. Those are similar stats in the AHL to Zary last year.

Great. Not sure Robertson is at the level of the others we have talked about and if Zary does something like have a 50+ game season at the NHL where he is at a PPG then the conversation changes at this point there is no reason to think he will produce at that level.

One other totally different guy doing it means very little.

Finally, were you projecting a guy like Gio to win a Norris in his first couple of seasons with the Flames? I sure didn't. The point is that we don't know what Zary will become. Sometimes an NHLer's big break comes down to seizing an opportunity. So far Zary has done that, and the safe bet is that he will 'only' become a top6 player, but I'm not ready to bet against him.

No but if you are using Gio as an example then we should just sell everyone and bring in a ton of undrafted FAs if that is what happens with those guys.

My point is fairly simple and straightforward there is not a single player in our orgnazation that we can say with any confidence is likely an elite player, teams need elite players to win the Cup so we should do what we can to get those players. If by chance a Zary or Coronato develops into that great, but it should in no way be part of our plan to say they could turn out into that when they have shown nothing to indicate they have that ability.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Goalies that may be available:

Gibson
Binnington
Hart
Saros

All probably more appealing to teams than Markstrom. And of course Markstrom has a NTC.

Debatable if Saros is available and if he is the price level is much higher than getting Markstrom, it is quite possible that teams that have interest in Markstrom wouldn't have the ability and/or desire to make the kind of deal it would take to get Saros.

As for the others I think Markstrom isn't clearly behind any of them. Binnington might have more appeal because of his Cup history and Hart because of youth but all of them like Markstrom come with some bad seasons lately and you have to hope you get the "good" version of any of them.

[Jason14h]

Zary and Cornato should be your 5th-6th best players on a true contending team (assuming they work out )

You need 2-3 elite forwards and a couple D

We need to find ELITE talent .

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Goalies that may be available:

Gibson
Binnington
Hart
Saros

All probably more appealing to teams than Markstrom. And of course Markstrom has a NTC.

Markstrom should come at a cheaper acquisition cost than Saros and Gibsons, and in my opinion an upgrade over Hart and Binnington.

[Monahammer]

How about we stop commenting on whether a kid with less than 10 nhl games will be elite or not and just let them play. Zary could turn out to be elite. First 5 games have been stellar. No reason to put a cap on him.

[the-rasta-masta]

I think the Flames have removed their deadline of getting rid of Hanifin and Lindholm within the first quarter of the season, due to the start. I believe that deadline was self imposed to protect them from themselves if the team was doing well, to avoid holding on to them too long and feeling pressure to keep them for a playoff run. With the start, they know what they have and know what they need to do, so they can be a bit more patient.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I think the Flames have removed their deadline of getting rid of Hanifin and Lindholm within the first quarter of the season, due to the start. I believe that deadline was self imposed to protect them from themselves if the team was doing well, to avoid holding on to them too long and feeling pressure to keep them for a playoff run. With the start, they know what they have and know what they need to do, so they can be a bit more patient.