Thoughts: A second stint for Gaudreau in Calgary?

[Paulie Walnuts]

You guys do understand the offer was made after 2 awful seasons and playoff showings and his worth around the league was low. He was probably getting 8.5 which at that time probably felt like a dangerous contract based on his play and off ice commitments.

Now we are finding out we probably dodged a bullet.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You guys do understand the offer was made after 2 awful seasons and playoff showings and his worth around the league was low. He was probably getting 8.5 which at that time probably felt like a dangerous contract based on his play and off ice commitments.

Now we are finding out we probably dodged a bullet.

I doubt it. They said that if the Flames offered anything even within the ballpark, he would have signed it. $8.5 million is easily in the ballpark, or at least an offer that would have been a respectable point to negotiate from. Guy said that Johnny felt embarrassed by the offer.

If any bullet was dodged, it's that Treliving turned down his contract extension as well.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Gaudreau was probably still upset at Treliving's "embarrassing joke" of an offer he sent his way, as phrased by Johnny's dad.

About 1:00 hour in:

https://www.raisingachampion.net/2055836/11693563

Thanks for sharing this. A bit more clarity on all that transpired from "mom and dad" Gaudreau.

Sounds like BT overplayed his hand the summer before with an insulting offer and something fairly unpleasant went down the night before free agency that the 8 year deal did not get signed. Remarkable to here that Guy Gaudreau went to the Vermont woods thinking the signing in Calgary was a certainty...

Also a telling statement from "mom" that Calgary fans and organization was for the most part wonderful with some exceptions? I wonder who those exceptions were (1:03:00-)

Perhaps we dodged a bad contract but still am soured by how the Flames handled it all down the stretch.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I doubt it. They said that if the Flames offered anything even within the ballpark, he would have signed it. $8.5 million is easily in the ballpark, or at least an offer that would have been a respectable point to negotiate from. Guy said that Johnny felt embarrassed by the offer.

If any bullet was dodged, it's that Treliving turned down his contract extension as well.

So you think he deserved a big raise? He should have been embarrassed because his performance was embarrassing.

He's back to the inconsistent Johnny everyone loved.

[dino7c]

Gaudreau has 1 EN goal and 5 assists

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you think he deserved a big raise? He should have been embarrassed because his performance was embarrassing.

He's back to the inconsistent Johnny everyone loved.

Then he should have traded him and never offered him 10.5. He doesn’t get it both ways.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Then he should have traded him and never offered him 10.5. He doesn’t get it both ways.

Kind of hard to do during covid and you need someone to want him.

He offered him 10.5 after a 115 point season.

If he tried to offer that contract the summer before he would have been labelled the worst gm in the league.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you think he deserved a big raise? He should have been embarrassed because his performance was embarrassing.

He's back to the inconsistent Johnny everyone loved.

It didn't say anywhere that it was a big raise or what they thought he was worth at the time. It was probably substantially lower than the $10.5 million he ended up being offered later. That offer was based off of the 115 point season he ended up having. I doubt that was the offer the summer before.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It didn't say anywhere that it was a big raise or what they thought he was worth at the time. It was probably substantially lower than the $10.5 million he ended up being offered later. That offer was based off of the 115 point season he ended up having. I doubt that was the offer the summer before.

It would have been an offer based on his two 70 point or so (pro rated) seasons, with some consideration of 99 points 3 years before. No doubt a raise on his 6.75, so probably $7.5-8M.

Honestly, the following season was kind of a shocker and maybe his whole track record reflects a guy who’s talented but inconsistent.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It would have been an offer based on his two 70 point or so (pro rated) seasons, with some consideration of 99 points 3 years before. No doubt a raise on his 6.75, so probably $7.5-8M.

Honestly, the following season was kind of a shocker and maybe his whole track record reflects a guy who’s talented but inconsistent.

No way of actually knowing, but I think if he was still with Lindholm, he would be producing much more still. They had great chemistry.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kind of hard to do during covid and you need someone to want him.

He offered him 10.5 after a 115 point season.

If he tried to offer that contract the summer before he would have been labelled the worst gm in the league.

If Gaudreau was demanding 9-10 million in the off-season before he left then Tre really should have traded him. I think Tre got cute trying to shave money off Guadreau’s extension so he could have cap room to overpay some free agents. Just like how he got caught with Tkachuk because of bad cap space management and had to give him a bridge.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No way of actually knowing, but I think if he was still with Lindholm, he would be producing much more still. They had great chemistry.

He was with Lindholm for the two seasons before his big one as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No it wasn't just stick Lindholm and Johnny with someone. It was Johnny and Monny who worked together.

They wouldn't have been carrying Dillon Dube around to career years.

Them two with Tkachuk is who had unreal chemistry that season. Tkachuk wasn't coming back.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kind of hard to do during covid and you need someone to want him.

He offered him 10.5 after a 115 point season.

If he tried to offer that contract the summer before he would have been labelled the worst gm in the league.

He could have certainly got him signed for cheaper the summer before. That 9.5 offer would have got it done for sure. What he ended up doing at the end of the day does make him one of the worst GM’s in the league who left Conroy with an absolute mess

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Gaudreau was demanding 9-10 million in the off-season before he left then Tre really should have traded him. I think Tre got cute trying to shave money off Guadreau’s extension so he could have cap room to overpay some free agents. Just like how he got caught with Tkachuk because of bad cap space management and had to give him a bridge.

They should have went with youth rather than brouwer and Neal. Those signings really set us back and hurt us long term. My issue with Brad is we never seemed to know what we were building. I like that we are now focused on youth and speed instead of filling in the blanks.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He could have certainly got him signed for cheaper the summer before. That 9.5 offer would have got it done for sure. What he ended up doing at the end of the day does make him one of the worst GM’s in the league who left Conroy with an absolute mess

I've always believed that Johnny wanted to be here but they dragged it out so long that in the end other things became a priority. Johnny talked about it during both negotiations he said that it was brutal having to wait all season long to get a signing done and that he wished to no one else would have to go through that. If you remember at the end of the first signing seemed really pissed off, it seemed like for that year after he wasn't very happy. I think the long drawn out negotiations was part of Trelivings strategy. Start low and work your way up.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Wow, I just listened to it. I never heard that before.

More wizardry from Treliving.

Ya'know, eh?

[Paulie Walnuts]

He put up career numbers in a contract season after receiving reasonable offers based on his performance to date.

Do you not think that was motivation enough knowing he was going to free agency with a new wife, a kid on the way that this was it he needed to perform or he was going to get offers like that again.

You give him 9.5 and Treliving is laughed out of Calgary. He would have secured a nice long term deal and likely put up another inconsistent season.

His work ethic was being questioned right before that, is that the type of guy you want ot tie to your organization during uncertain times to a huge deal.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You give him 9.5 and Treliving is laughed out of Calgary. He would have secured a nice long term deal and likely put up another inconsistent season.

His work ethic was being questioned right before that, is that the type of guy you want ot tie to your organization during uncertain times to a huge deal.

Tre either viewed him as a core piece or not. It appears he did because he backed up the brink truck after his career season. Might have been 8.5 in the summer before that gets it done, who knows. He would have been better off paying Gaudreau an extra million a year than trying to grind him down if he thought he was a core piece. If he didn't think he was a core piece then he should have been traded.
The Kadri signing and Monahan trade was just a continuation of his brutal free agent signings.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Tre either viewed him as a core piece or not. It appears he did because he backed up the brink truck after his career season. Might have been 8.5 in the summer before that gets it done, who knows. He would have been better off paying Gaudreau an extra million a year than trying to grind him down if he thought he was a core piece. If he didn't think he was a core piece then he should have been traded.
The Kadri signing and Monahan trade was just a continuation of his brutal free agent signings.

Yeah he talked about that when the was struggling he couldn't make a trade it was during covid it was difficult.

They talked about a shake up and the difficulty it was to make a deal, so Edwards brought in Sutter.

His value was pretty low, trading him would have been at an all time low value and you just don't do that so they banked on him having some sort of bounce back during a contract season.

It was debatable at that point and still is if he is a franchise player due to his inconsistent performance.