Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

A centralized health service is no good, you know what’s better?

Four centralized health services, all with overlap and redundancies in procurement and delivery.

I'm just trying to figure out how that works practically. We used to have regional health boards, but I believe everything was handled geographically. I think a big challenge with this new system will be how they handle budgeting. Does each one get a certain budget? If so, I can see lots of "that's not our job" going on to keep their performance looking as good as possible. So you can see AHS doing whatever they can to offload patients to continuing care, while continuing care would resist taking patients as much as possible. I'm sure there are no shortage of examples on this one.

Creating silos of care seems requires some overarching organization to deal with overlaps,"not my jobs", and transfers. It seems kinda like this is going to be the Minister and their integration council to handle? So now politicians are involved directly in patient care decisions.

And what is the goal? How are we measuring success or failure? Or are we just doing it because reasons...

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL, you are such a clown.

Why bother engaging with him, he is clearly a partisan POS.

[Canadianman]

Can't wait to hear more about this plan to starve the beast.


It's hilarious that they think they can break up AHS into 4 smaller parts, de-integrate them and leave a useable (much less _better_) system in place for $85 million.


They spent $75 million on discount tylenol that either never made it to Canada or sat on hospital shelves because it was useless.


I'm putting the Over/Under on this at $1.8 billion.

[rubecube]

The other crappy thing about all of this is that it means the NDP will probably have to campaign on raising taxes again to fix this mess, and dumb asses will be like "We can't afford the NDP!" Berta gonna Berta, I guess.

[puffnstuff]

What number is the threshold to officially call something a boondoggle?
Higher or lower than a ****show?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The other crappy thing about all of this is that it means the NDP will probably have to campaign on raising taxes again to fix this mess, and dumb asses will be like "We can't afford the NDP!" Berta gonna Berta, I guess.

This province gets less and less appealing with each new iteration of the Conservative Party.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And what is the goal? How are we measuring success or failure? Or are we just doing it because reasons...

Break it up so it's easier to sell off down the road

[para transit fellow]

35 years ago, Calgary had a health board for each local hospital.

Then the Alberta Conservative Government told us would be better (i.e. fiscally prudent/ better service) to put all of Calgary's hospitals into a regional structure.

Then the Alberta Conservative Government told us would be better (i.e. fiscally prudent/ better service) to put all of the regional board hospitals into a Central provincial authority.

Then the Alberta Conservative Government told us would be better (i.e. fiscally prudent/ better service) to put all of the ambulance serivices into a Central provincial authority.

Then the Alberta Conservative Government told us would be better (i.e. fiscally prudent/ better service) to put separate the Central provincial health authority into separate divisions.

Is there a common thread here?

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Break it up so it's easier to sell off down the road

This has been a well-documented dream of Smith's for years. "We" voted her in with this in plain sight, and now she's going to start making it happen. 'Berta!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Break it up so it's easier to sell off down the road

I thought I had captured that in the ...


most not dumb people are able to see this coming.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I thought I had captured that in the ...


most not dumb people are able to see this coming.

This is why the MAGA/TBA crowd demonize experts and smart people as being part of the deep state and the like. Can't have people contradicting the party line and disrupting their grifting.

Everything they accuse others of doing is guaranteed to be cover for something they have done or intend to do.

[Muta]

It's funny, but also sad, to watch the brainwashed right / UCP supporters fall for all this. They are getting manipulated, played and exploited, by design, by the party they put their faith into, and they have zero clue. They are being used as pawns for the UCP's long-term grift. Here we go.

[Canadianman]

This press conference would be funny, if it wasn't about destroying health care in Alberta.


Half of the words are talking about how they are going to increase capacity and ensure everyone gets the health care services that they need.


The other half are talking about how breaking AHS up into 4 entities, 13 boards and 432,833 committees is necessary because AHS is making too many decisions that the government doesn't like (cough, COVID, cough)


Do they expect Albertans to not notice that those two goals are not compatible? In order to expand capacity, we need more funding in health care. Funding that is directed to health care, not adding administrative costs into the system.


All of their cronies running mental health facilities (and eventually other facilities) are gonna get rich. Albertans are gonna get ####ed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can this plan be challenged?

I can't believe the idiots of this province votes this trash in.

Just a bunch of idiots who vote only because its blue with zero knowledge of what the implications will be with unqualified uneducated idiots running our province.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

Do they expect Albertans to not notice that those two goals are not compatible?

Guys, the answer to this is always “yes” and they are always right. UCP voters sit there breathing through their constantly open mouths nodding along, and when something is an obviously stupid idea that even your average stupid person could identify as “yes, that is stupid,” they most criticism their worship allows them to muster is “I’m going to let this play out” and… they will let it play out… celebrating and excusing the stupidity time and time again.

[Superflyer]

Wasn't there a video of smith basically outlining how she could break up AHS and start selling off parts? This was basically the first part of that speech.
Meanwhile when it came out all her supporters on here basically just said, that is not what she meant and lets just wait and see what happens. We need to give her time

[Jimmy Stang]

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

[Fuzz]

A paper in a prominent medical journal says an Alberta government report that influenced safe drug consumption policy is so badly flawed it’s harming people and should be withdrawn.

The paper in the Canadian Journal of Public Health calls the government’s 2019 report into seven supervised consumption sites pseudoscience.

It says the United Conservative-commissioned report is biased in three major ways, all of which distort its findings against such sites.
It points out the government study was not peer-reviewed, unlike the journal article.

Lead author Ginetta Salvalaggio from the University of Alberta, one of 14 co-authors, says the government’s paper has been cited widely by opponents of safe injection sites despite its weakness.

She calls the report “creating evidence” and says there are real dangers to basing decisions on bad data.

Salvalaggio points out that 2023 is shaping up to be the deadliest year on record for opioid poisoning in Alberta.

A spokesperson for Alberta Health was not immediately available for comment.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2023/11...dical-journal/

Idiocracy set to MAXIMUM this week.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

This press conference would be funny, if it wasn't about destroying health care in Alberta.


Half of the words are talking about how they are going to increase capacity and ensure everyone gets the health care services that they need.


The other half are talking about how breaking AHS up into 4 entities, 13 boards and 432,833 committees is necessary because AHS is making too many decisions that the government doesn't like (cough, COVID, cough)


Do they expect Albertans to not notice that those two goals are not compatible? In order to expand capacity, we need more funding in health care. Funding that is directed to health care, not adding administrative costs into the system.


All of their cronies running mental health facilities (and eventually other facilities) are gonna get rich. Albertans are gonna get ####ed.

in addition those within the system (who are used to being used as a bit of an experiment) are now at the tail end of a 4 year COVID/MD battle/electronic medical record launch/lab privatization debacle and have even less capacity, good will or energy for whatever chaos this is about to create but oh well

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Can this plan be challenged?

I can't believe the idiots of this province votes this trash in.

Just a bunch of idiots who vote only because its blue with zero knowledge of what the implications will be with unqualified uneducated idiots running our province.

Nope, we voted her in and she's the Premier now.