What to do with Huberdeau?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Move the puck and pass well.

The Flames aren't slow, they play slow. When they play a more up-tempo game, and pass well (like in Seattle), they are not at all a slow team - far from the fastest in the league, but more than adequate.

Speed isn't the problem, style of play is.

Do they have the legs to keep playing with pace? I am not sold

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's brilliant, but it makes you wonder about professional coaches/management and how they don't see what fans/media can point out succinctly in a team that has millions on their management payroll?

Brett Hull
Trevor Kidd over Martin Brodeur
Doug Gilmour
JS Giguere
Martin St. Louis
Marc Savard
...
...
...
Garnet Hathaway
Sam Bennett
Matthew Phillips
Dustin Wolf
.
.
.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You should read the scout’s work and judge it based on its merits

What does that have to do with the multiple people in the Flames organization and around the league with more experience and knowledge than me and the scout supposedly not agreeing with the simple points in the article?

The post I responded to asked why the hockey people in the Flames organization couldn't see what was so obvious to fans and this scout? I will ask again is that maybe because it isn't as straightforward as fans and a scout with zero NHL experience, zero AHL experience (from what I can tell) and only a few years of scouting experience at all, at a low level are making it out to be.

So I will ask again what is more likely the experienced hockey people involved over two seasons in the Flames organization are all clueless, other teams experienced hockey people are clueless as well or that fans and a low level scout are making out the solution is much easier than it actually is?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What does that have to do with the multiple people in the Flames organization and around the league with more experience and knowledge than me and the scout supposedly not agreeing with the simple points in the article?

The post I responded to asked why the hockey people in the Flames organization couldn't see what was so obvious to fans and this scout? I will ask again is that maybe because it isn't as straightforward as fans and a scout with zero NHL experience, zero AHL experience (from what I can tell) and only a few years of scouting experience at all, at a low level are making it out to be.

So I will ask again what is more likely the experienced hockey people involved over two seasons in the Flames organization are all clueless, other teams experienced hockey people are clueless as well or that fans and a low level scout are making out the solution is much easier than it actually is?

Same pro scouting that brought in James Neal, Tory Browuer? Curtiz Lazar? Travis Hamonic?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Brett Hull
Trevor Kidd over Martin Brodeur
Doug Gilmour
JS Giguere
Martin St. Louis
Marc Savard
...
...
...
Garnet Hathaway
Sam Bennett
Matthew Phillips
Dustin Wolf
.
.
.

Hull was a sacrifice to win a cup.
Kidd was the right pick coming out of juniors.
Gilmour was over money in a time when the team didn't have it.
Giguere never showed anything special.
St Louis was not a sought after UFA by any team.
Hathaway is still replaceable.
Bennett is fine, but is not better than Lindy or Backs.
Phillips is now on the fourth line with the Caps.
Wolf is still coming.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Move the puck and pass well.

The Flames aren't slow, they play slow. When they play a more up-tempo game, and pass well (like in Seattle), they are not at all a slow team - far from the fastest in the league, but more than adequate.

Speed isn't the problem, style of play is.

I think if they could play faster, they would.

This roster does not prominently feature anyone known for making high-level plays at speed.

Tough to win in the NHL with nobody who can do that.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Same pro scouting that brought in James Neal, Tory Browuer? Curtiz Lazar? Travis Hamonic?

I doubt the pro scouts have a lot of say in what system we play, but even if they did is that any less impressive than a few years as a USHL scout of the zero years of fan scouting?

[FlamesAddiction]

I think they thought that Huberdeau could adapt. Truly elite players can figure it out. Instead, they are now going to have to try and figure out how to construct a line and complimentary defense pairings that will prop him up and flatter his stats.

[Igottago]

Ninety something games in a Flames uniform with barely a flash of brilliance displayed at any point. Can anyone remember more than a couple of standout moments from Huberdeau? Even a couple might be charitable. I can maybe think of one exciting rush from last pre season, that's about it.

The systems talk is a massive copout. If he's really that magical of a player I would assume he'd have the intellect to adapt to a slightly different way of playing the same game using a stick and a puck. Other stars were putting up 100 pt seasons with this organization a couple years ago. He looks less effective on the ice than any of the bottom line players and any of the recent call ups.

A full organization of professional hockey people is not the reason he isn't producing. At some point the responsibility lies with him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think they thought that Huberdeau could adapt. Truly elite players can figure it out. Instead, they are now going to have to try and figure out how to construct a line and complimentary defense pairings that will prop him up and flatter his stats.

Or you know how about we get out of the stone age of this Gulutzan/Sutter style off cycle cycle offence toss it to the point yay corsi and adapt our team to try and play a modern game that's suits the NHL now.

We play such slow paced game.

And Mangiapane has sucked for 2 years now as has Dube so it's not like we have surrounded him with great talent either.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think they thought that Huberdeau could adapt. Truly elite players can figure it out. Instead, they are now going to have to try and figure out how to construct a line and complimentary defense pairings that will prop him up and flatter his stats.

Huberdeau shares in the blame, but he probably hasn’t been the only good player on his team like he is here since he was 14.

The hockey sense of this roster collectively can be found next to velociraptor skeletons.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Or you know how about we get out of the stone age of this Gulutzan/Sutter style off cycle cycle offence toss it to the point yay corsi and adapt our team to try and play a modern game that's suits the NHL now.

We play such slow paced game.

And Mangiapane has sucked for 2 years now as has Dube so it's not like we have surrounded him with great talent either.

Wow!
You bring Sutter and Glue Gun into every discussion
Obsessed much?
Come on
Move ahead and get current Boomer.

[kukkudo]

10.5M stapled to the bench.

[Flamesfan05]

Should ask his agent to apologize to Sutter

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Should ask his agent to apologize to Sutter

Hmmmmm
Isn’t that a suggestion

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think they thought that Huberdeau could adapt. Truly elite players can figure it out. Instead, they are now going to have to try and figure out how to construct a line and complimentary defense pairings that will prop him up and flatter his stats.

Why bother. The young AHL players are better than him. Just take your medicine and put him on waivers.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Why bother. The young AHL players are better than him. Just take your medicine and put him on waivers.

They can’t. I wonder if we see an Allan Walsh tweet

[Hack&Lube]

Man I'll never forget that shot with his head in his hands looking devastated at the end of the bench knowing that he's basically sitting in the corner of the classroom with a dunce cap on until the bell rings.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They can’t. I wonder if we see an Allan Walsh tweet

Allan Walsh shouldn't care now, he got the big contract and big agent commission already.

[Flamesfan05]

Imagine Treliving watching his prized acquisition being bench on Friday?