Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Yet one of those teams dominated and won a first round and the other was embarrassed and nearly swept in the first round. The playoffs were definitely not similar.

We won a coin flip in round 1 and almost got swept in round 2 to our biggest rival.

Lets name our new arena after him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For me it's not about the on-ice results.
I have low tolerance for people that treat others poorly.
The narrative with Sutter has always been that he was tough in front of the camera, but behind the scenes he was a good guy (for the most part).
That didn't seem to be the case the last couple of years.

I don't think he was fired for on-ice results. The Flames just signed him to an extension that pays the man $3M per year. He has a relationship with Edwards. Do you think Edwards would swallow that if it was only about missing the playoffs?

It is actually 4 million per season.

But your point stands that Edwards who is supposedly super cheap when it comes to coaching hires wouldn't sign off on firing his buddy and paying 8 million for someone not to coach.

People make it like poor old Sutter left his barn to come and coach the Flames as some charity case and got run out of town by Huberdeau and Kadri when that isn't the case at all.

[AustinL_NHL]

Paulie Walnuts has a Sutter-themed dart board and hex doll

[SuperMatt18]

AustinL is pretty much just trolling with the Huberdeau and Kadri vs Sutter narrative at this point. Honestly he's adding nothing of value to this site.

What people have to realize is Sutter wasn't fired because of the on ice play or system. It's not the prettiest or most fan friendly system but it's generally effective. That wasn't the issue with Sutter.

The issue with Sutter (and the organization in general) was that you had Tkachuk and Gaudreau leave after a division winning season (at least in some part because of Sutter / Ownership), you had Treliving leave the org due to his relationship with the coach and owner, and then you had all of Lindholm, Backlund, Hanifin, and Tanev (maybe more) indicate they wanted out if Sutter was still coach.

And as an organization you couldn't let that toxic environment fester. Even if Sutter is a great coach it's useless if nobody wants to play here and all your best players want out every offseason.

That is why Sutter was fired because he was at least partially responsible for an environment that caused at least 6 of your top players to want to leave over 2 seasons. Huberdeau and Kadri can have the finger pointed at them, but they signed 8 year and 7 year contracts knowing Sutter was coach (and players talk - I'm sure they knew about how he was to players), they weren't the reason he was fired.

The departures of Tkachuk and Gaudreau, followed by the threats of departure by Hanifin, Lindholm, Backlund, Tanev etc is why he was fired.

People point the finger at Huberdeau and Kadri because they haven't lived up to their contracts (nowhere close for Huberdeau), and AustinL seems to like to blame Conroy too, but in the end they aren't the reason this organization is in the position it's in.

That would be Edwards, Treliving, Sutter, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk, but it's easier to use the lazy narrative that is devoid of any critical thinking and just blame Huberdeau and Kadri.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It is actually 4 million per season.

But your point stands that Edwards who is supposedly super cheap when it comes to coaching hires wouldn't sign off on firing his buddy and paying 8 million for someone not to coach.

People make it like poor old Sutter left his barn to come and coach the Flames as some charity case and got run out of town by Huberdeau and Kadri when that isn't the case at all.

How can you type that and then read it over without thinking that what you're being sarcastic about is actually 95% true lol

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

How can you type that and then read it over without thinking that what you're being sarcastic about is actually 95% true lol

Prove it?

You are just a troll.

Getting 12 million is coaching the team as a favour?

Two guys who committed to the team to long term deals threatened to leave after 1 year, that is why he was fired?

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

AustinL is pretty much just trolling with the Huberdeau and Kadri vs Sutter narrative at this point. Honestly he's adding nothing of value to this site.

What people have to realize is Sutter wasn't fired because of the on ice play or system. It's not the prettiest or most fan friendly system but it's generally effective. That wasn't the issue with Sutter.

The issue with Sutter (and the organization in general) was that you had Tkachuk and Gaudreau leave after a division winning season (at least in some part because of Sutter / Ownership), you had Treliving leave the org due to his relationship with the coach and owner, and then you had all of Lindholm, Backlund, Hanifin, and Tanev (maybe more) indicate they wanted out if Sutter was still coach.

And as an organization you couldn't let that toxic environment fester. Even if Sutter is a great coach it's useless if nobody wants to play here and all your best players want out every offseason.

That is why Sutter was fired because he was at least partially responsible for an environment that caused at least 6 of your top players to leave over 2 seasons. Huberdeau and Kadri can have the finger pointed at them, but they signed 8 year and 7 year contracts knowing Sutter was coach (and players talk - I'm sure they knew about how he was to players), they weren't the reason he was fired.

The departures of Tkachuk and Gaudreau, followed by the threats of departure by Hanifin, Lindholm, Backlund, Tanev etc is why he was fired.

I'm admittedly the biggest Sutter fan here and will debate anyone who says otherwise, but even I in the summer was of the stance of "ok, it was his time to go, let's change things up and go forward with a fresh direction" and then followed that up by betting massive on a Huberdeau bounce back (I walked the walk with his bounceback storyline).

Now, 11 games into this pitiful season with absolutely nothing to indicate that Huberdeau or Kadri (up until the last 2 games playing with Zary) have changed in this Sutter-less world, I'm just talking the talk now haha I hope Huberdeau/Kadri/Huska/etc.. make me forget about the only man that kept this organization in professional hard-working manner, but right now it is going 📉📉📉.

I would like to eat crow, and honestly, if the Flames are forced into a rebuild because Sutter isn't there to prop them up by 2-3 levels above their actual talent level, that is more than good for me.

Or, maybe this team turns it around and Huska's system turns out to be brilliant, but that is a far, far, far way from even entering my head as a possibility

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Prove it?

You are just a troll.

Getting 12 million is coaching the team as a favour?

Two guys who committed to the team to long term deals threatened to leave after 1 year, that is why he was fired?

Damn what a blessing that would've been

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

I'm admittedly the biggest Sutter fan here and will debate anyone who says otherwise, but even I in the summer was of the stance of "ok, it was his time to go, let's change things up and go forward with a fresh direction" and then followed that up by betting massive on a Huberdeau bounce back (I walked the walk with his bounceback storyline).

Now, 11 games into this pitiful season with absolutely nothing to indicate that Huberdeau or Kadri (up until the last 2 games playing with Zary) have changed in this Sutter-less world, I'm just talking the talk now haha I hope Huberdeau/Kadri/Huska/etc.. make me forget about the only man that kept this organization in professional hard-working manner, but right now it is going ������.

I would like to eat crow, and honestly, if the Flames are forced into a rebuild because Sutter isn't there to prop them up by 2-3 levels above their actual talent level, that is more than good for me.

Or, maybe this team turns it around and Huska's system turns out to be brilliant, but that is a far, far, far way from even entering my head as a possibility

Maybe try making posts that actual have value then, instead of drive bye posts that make it some Sutter vs Huberdeau & Kadri power struggle. That is a lazy narrative that is missing about 95% of the actual context of what happened in Calgary.

If Sutter wasn't so stubborn he would still be coach here, and they probably make the playoffs last year. Huberdeau and Kadri have proven Sutter right, but call ups like Duehr, Pelletier, Zary, Pospisil, etc have shown that the youth on one of the best teams in the AHL should have been counted on more last year.

And if Sutter wasn't so damn stubborn then I think this team would have made the playoffs if they just infused that youth into the solid structure he had set up with the veterans.

So that's another reason he's probably no longer here. Sutter did a lot of good, and his on ice system was boring but very effective, the problem he had was player relationship and management and that's why he's no longer here.

I'll give Dissentowner credit though...the Huska hire seems poor at this point. I had no real knowledge of the systems he wanted to play, but had liked his work with young dmen and the Flames defense throughout his career. But yeah it seems like he's lacking the instincts a head coach needs to have to get the most of a lineup and use them to highlight their strengths.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe try making posts that actual have value then, instead of drive bye posts that make it some Sutter vs Huberdeau & Kadri power struggle. That is a lazy narrative that is missing about 95% of the actual context of what happened in Calgary.

If Sutter wasn't so stubborn he would still be coach here, and they probably make the playoffs last year. Huberdeau and Kadri have proven Sutter right, but call ups like Duehr, Pelletier, Zary, Pospisil, etc have shown that the youth on one of the best teams in the AHL should have been counted on more last year.

And if Sutter wasn't so damn stubborn then I think this team would have made the playoffs if they just infused that youth into the solid structure he had set up with the veterans.

So that's another reason he's probably no longer here. Sutter did a lot of good, and his on ice system was boring but very effective, the problem he had was player relationship and management and that's why he's no longer here.

I've said it before. Darryl Sutter with his system but better roster management (I.e. younger players/ice time management) would be THE best coach in NHL history. Unfortunately he was stubborn.

I'm letting off steam from this season's start with posts that are still factual, but also 100% fair drive-by shots at Huberdeau and Kadri lol if some posters wanna label me a troll after years of some of the most statistically-backed posts on this site (there's certainly some better number-diving members on this site), that's okay with me haha but for the time being I shall enjoy this time of Sutter being proven right about Huberdeau + Kadri while the Flames suffer on the ice.

Definitely makes for some entertaining reading of posts attacking me when I get under people's skin (put me in the sin box for instigating)

[Paulie Walnuts]

You really must be 10.

It would be a blessing if you left this site.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Sutter wasn't so stubborn he would still be coach here, and they probably make the playoffs last year. Huberdeau and Kadri have proven Sutter right, but call ups like Duehr, Pelletier, Zary, Pospisil, etc have shown that the youth on one of the best teams in the AHL should have been counted on more last year.

And if Sutter wasn't so damn stubborn then I think this team would have made the playoffs if they just infused that youth into the solid structure he had set up with the veterans.

Way too early to say that.

[DazzlinDino]

I have strong feelings about how Sutter treated other people, but when you also have a fan doing the same stuff calling out other people who have a different opinion that maybe it wasn't all Sutter. It is no secret some of those players are still struggling. Do they bear some of the responsibility probably.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I have strong feelings about how Sutter treated other people, but when you also have a fan doing the same stuff calling out other people who have a different opinion that maybe it wasn't all Sutter. It is no secret some of those players are still struggling. Do they bear some of the responsibility probably.

That’s just how bullies work

Anyway

Lots of discussion on this board about Sutter and Gaudreau, kinda weird. THEY’RE GONE, this is a new era of fun and offensively creative Calgary Flames we all deserve. We need to move on from the past.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

That’s just how bullies work

Anyway

Lots of discussion on this board about Sutter and Gaudreau, kinda weird. THEY’RE GONE, this is a new era of fun and offensively creative Calgary Flames we all deserve. We need to move on from the past.

What?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

That’s just how bullies work

Anyway

Lots of discussion on this board about Sutter and Gaudreau, kinda weird. THEY’RE GONE, this is a new era of fun and offensively creative Calgary Flames we all deserve. We need to move on from the past.

Some people still miss Johnny so that's understandable, Obviously the Flames are missing something right now. When you have people wondering what to do about Huberdeau? Most would be happy if he just found his game again, but being an aging player there is some valid concern. What can the Flames do to make it better. It is a tough question to answer.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What?

Well
All the changes were designed to make things much more fun and to remove the “offensive shackles”

Right?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Well
All the changes were designed to make things much more fun and to remove the “offensive shackles”

Right?

I haven't seen any changes to make this team fun or offensively creative.

That is not what Huska brings as a coach, moving Tofolli for Sharangovich doesn't do that.

What changes made have turned us into a fun, offensively creative team?

[ST20]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For me it's not about the on-ice results.
I have low tolerance for people that treat others poorly.
The narrative with Sutter has always been that he was tough in front of the camera, but behind the scenes he was a good guy (for the most part).
That didn't seem to be the case the last couple of years.

I don't think he was fired for on-ice results. The Flames just signed him to an extension that pays the man $3M per year. He has a relationship with Edwards. Do you think Edwards would swallow that if it was only about missing the playoffs?

I have no problem with him being fired with the reason being that many players no longer want to play for him. It's happened before in LA.

I do find it strange when people start attacking his character since the reason why players no longer want to play for him is speculation. It could be because he is an awful person, it could be that they don't like his coaching/communication style or it could be that they don't like the style he wants them to play. Anyone can speculate or hear from people "in the know" but no one on this board is in the room so I don't see a need to speculate or get worked up about rumours unless someone in the organization and directly comes out and says he is an awful person.

There is also no need to say things that are patently false like the game has passed him by or that he is not a good coach. Making false claims plus speculating on what an awful person he is while blaming last year entirely on him just makes the whole thing seem strangely personal.

We should all just move on and talk about how bad Huska is at coaching... lol jk... I think.

[GullFoss]

What Wallie says

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't trash anyone personally

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Your posts get more embarrassing by the day.

Do you have a Sutter radar on, Darryl?

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Prove it?

You are just a troll.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You really must be 10.

It would be a blessing if you left this site.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am not the one who obsesses with him its literally GullFoss and AustinNHL.

But GGGGGGGGG Unit right.

Hmmm....