I don't think you even watched the video or understand what is wrong.
We are turning a premier rush player into a mucker to play a cycle game when he's thrived his entire career being a rush player who makes plays for guys who work to get open.
No one is going to complete passes to guys standing still allowing themselves to be covered.
Taking a talented player and turning him into a cycle cycle to the point isnt going to work this isn't a grinder.
I don't think his effort is the issue. He's playing into the hands of a had system and that's easy to defend and his weakness are being exploited.
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He would thrive in Montreal, I don't think they would take him though. Maybe if the return was Anderson and Gallagher. I also don't think Huberdeau would waive to play there, he spoke on that before and stated there would be too much pressure.
He would crater with that media. When you look at the canadian teams, Calgary is probably the most media friendly to players. Places like Toronto and Montreal, a mentally weak player like this would not do well.
He would crater with that media. When you look at the canadian teams, Calgary is probably the most media friendly to players. Places like Toronto and Montreal, a mentally weak player like this would not do well.
He would be fine, especially because with the way they play hockey he would be back to putting up big numbers.
Watching the game last night AFTER having read the article, the thing that jumped out at me - over, and over, and over - was how, on rushes, all the forwards skated right to a defender.
And watching a couple D-men be the 4th guy, then just fade out, was equally interesting. And frustrating.
And this was on a night when the Flames played WELL!
That woman NAILED it, with respect to what is wrong with the Flames offense.
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Watching the game last night AFTER having read the article, the thing that jumped out at me - over, and over, and over - was how, on rushes, all the forwards skated right to a defender.
And watching a couple D-men be the 4th guy, then just fade out, was equally interesting. And frustrating.
And this was on a night when the Flames played WELL!
That woman NAILED it, with respect to what is wrong with the Flames offense.
It was maddening to watch.
Seattle had 13 shots and it felt like they just opened things up so easily. Skating to open areas and causing confusion.
It's like the Flames look at a defender and skate beside him.
We have to work extra hard to create our chances and it doesn't have to be that way we have a elite passer someone get open.
I believe the idea is - and this is a Sutterism - if you're on an odd man rush (let's use a 3 on 2 as the example), have the other skaters skate to the defenders to tie them up, leaving the puck carrier open for a clear shot.
It's a fine system, 20 years ago, but you aren't beating today's goalies that way
I believe the idea is - and this is a Sutterism - if you're on an odd man rush (let's use a 3 on 2 as the example), have the other skaters skate to the defenders to tie them up, leaving the puck carrier open for a clear shot.
It's a fine system, 20 years ago, but you aren't beating today's goalies that way
Yes, you almost always have to make a goalie move to score.
Not sure if this has been posted already but this guy's take is accurate.
This is so perfect and that's now two sources with perfect breakdowns of how our crappy systems don't work for a dynamic, creative player like Huberdeau. But just like with the first article most of our fans won't check it out because sports fans are emotional and want to attack a scapegoat for what's wrong with their team (someone on the ice).
The X factor here, imo, is that Huska was supposed to be a departure from the rigid, **** system that held our offensive players back last season..but he has not done that. The system still sucks, brutally. And that's what I was most excited for this season, was a more open, offensive system to see what our big contracts and young prospects could do in it.
Just caught this video - and was going to post it as well. He seems fairly spot on! and shows clear examples of how our system doesn't compliment Huby's style of play and what made him successful.
It's brilliant, but it makes you wonder about professional coaches/management and how they don't see what fans/media can point out succinctly in a team that has millions on their management payroll?
Low 90s often isnt enough since loser points...like are you even serious the Flames had 93 and their season was brutal. They were 17th place, that is not a good season!
Panthers have 5 wins in 10 games yet you guys are all up my ass for calling them average. They have mid pack cup odds
But people point out the critical early season injuries to core players, repeatedly and you just ignore it every time because you have this insane, infatuation with the Florida Panthers, man. Like you're going to have "92 points in 2022/23!!!!!" put on your gravestone at this point. It's balderdash.
You have zero capacity to properly factor in a full, injury filled Cup final run plus lingering injuries to start the year, because you're that Iranian defence minister for the Flames. Sorry.
It's brilliant, but it makes you wonder about professional coaches/management and how they don't see what fans/media can point out succinctly in a team that has millions on their management payroll?
Could it be that the fans who think it is so obvious are just seeing what they want, that there is an easy solution to get their player going and in actual fact it is much more difficult than that?
Hard to imagine that the whole Flames organization over two seasons with changes are worse at breaking down systems than some low level "scout" for a 2 bit media company.
Even if you buy into the Flames being too stubborn, wouldn't there be a team out there who realize this and see an opportunity to dump some of their dead weights to bring in a guy that is so easy to fix?
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It's brilliant, but it makes you wonder about professional coaches/management and how they don't see what fans/media can point out succinctly in a team that has millions on their management payroll?
How do you make a slow team fast? That is the issue. I don't think the Flames can even play a style of team game that these videos are pointing towards. It was a bad fit by the pro scouts again
How do you make a slow team fast? That is the issue. I don't think the Flames can even play a style of team game that these videos are pointing towards. It was a bad fit by the pro scouts again
Move the puck and pass well.
The Flames aren't slow, they play slow. When they play a more up-tempo game, and pass well (like in Seattle), they are not at all a slow team - far from the fastest in the league, but more than adequate.
Speed isn't the problem, style of play is.
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How do you make a slow team fast? That is the issue. I don't think the Flames can even play a style of team game that these videos are pointing towards. It was a bad fit by the pro scouts again
Being fast is far more dependant on moving the puck quickly rather than foot speed.
No player in the league is faster than the puck, if everyone is in proper position you can be a very quick team without having a bunch of players who can absolutely fly up the ice.
Foot speed comes into play for breakdowns and broken plays but is really not the key factor when determining how fast you can play.
Chicago and LA were "fast" teams for years without having many skaters that you would consider to be fast. Systems are key and that's why a great coach can have such a huge impact on a team.
This guy is basically reading the Sportsnet article and has even spliced some of the video clips in as well. It's like he's not even trying to hide the blatant rip-off.
Maybe. But I didn't have to watch an ad or give credit to something made by Rogers. So I'll take it.
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There was some talk that Florida was changing the way they played as their system wasn't conducive to winning. I believe Sutter brought that up himself as well during one presser.
It may be difficult to make Huberdeau effective without changing the whole system to a more run-and-gun system, and this doesn't guarantee any more wins. I am all for it, since the Flames aren't winning anything right now anyway. It just may not be the right answer either.
At the moment, I think the Flames should just keep at it with what they are trying to do. AFAIK, the offensive system was changed, and the players all had the green light (including defencemen) to be creative out there rather than play in a rigid system. Maybe they are not executing? Maybe they are leaning on what they have been doing in the past too often because they are hesitating?
That's the tough part when losses pile up - everyone starts playing a bit more slow, and then you have the odd guys who try to do too much by themselves. It starts looking ugly. I am not sure that anyone - even any of the videos that we have seen from THIS season (which is where the system should be changing) - really knows what it is actually supposed to look like.
What I do remember clearly is that in the off-season, Conroy specifically stated that he wants this team to have an unstructured, creative offensive system, but to also make sure they return to playing a structured defensive system (that Huska changed to zone). I don't know why, especially with the lack of goal-scoring, that the team suddenly reversed course into that overly structured offensive system. I think that players are falling back on it because they are not feeling comfortable out there.
I guess that I am not convinced that the Flames have deviated from an aspect of their game that they specifically wanted to address, at this stage in the season. Let's see what the month of November brings before we decide that Huska is a terrible coach who hasn't really changed anything.
There was some talk that Florida was changing the way they played as their system wasn't conducive to winning. I believe Sutter brought that up himself as well during one presser.
It may be difficult to make Huberdeau effective without changing the whole system to a more run-and-gun system, and this doesn't guarantee any more wins. I am all for it, since the Flames aren't winning anything right now anyway. It just may not be the right answer either.
At the moment, I think the Flames should just keep at it with what they are trying to do. AFAIK, the offensive system was changed, and the players all had the green light (including defencemen) to be creative out there rather than play in a rigid system. Maybe they are not executing? Maybe they are leaning on what they have been doing in the past too often because they are hesitating?
That's the tough part when losses pile up - everyone starts playing a bit more slow, and then you have the odd guys who try to do too much by themselves. It starts looking ugly. I am not sure that anyone - even any of the videos that we have seen from THIS season (which is where the system should be changing) - really knows what it is actually supposed to look like.
What I do remember clearly is that in the off-season, Conroy specifically stated that he wants this team to have an unstructured, creative offensive system, but to also make sure they return to playing a structured defensive system (that Huska changed to zone). I don't know why, especially with the lack of goal-scoring, that the team suddenly reversed course into that overly structured offensive system. I think that players are falling back on it because they are not feeling comfortable out there.
I guess that I am not convinced that the Flames have deviated from an aspect of their game that they specifically wanted to address, at this stage in the season. Let's see what the month of November brings before we decide that Huska is a terrible coach who hasn't really changed anything.
Doesn't seem like Florida changed much from Q to Brunette to Maurice.
A lot of these players played this perimeter system and shots shots shots system for the last 3 plus years, and a few that came in the last season got broken down when they came in to follow this style.
Its probably habits that have to be broken I would hope, but its starting to feel like what they said in the media and what they are doing is two different things.
They talked a lot about our D joining the rush, skating the puck up and I have seen none of that, they don't come in on the rush to create that next wave they often just fade away or follow the rest of the guys and get caught covered up.
Shooting on a set goalie is always going to be difficult unless you get a lot of traffic in front of them.
Doesn't seem like Florida changed much from Q to Brunette to Maurice.
A lot of these players played this perimeter system and shots shots shots system for the last 3 plus years, and a few that came in the last season got broken down when they came in to follow this style.
Its probably habits that have to be broken I would hope, but its starting to feel like what they said in the media and what they are doing is two different things.
They talked a lot about our D joining the rush, skating the puck up and I have seen none of that, they don't come in on the rush to create that next wave they often just fade away or follow the rest of the guys and get caught covered up.
Shooting on a set goalie is always going to be difficult unless you get a lot of traffic in front of them.
Brunette was Q's assistant and didn't run anything different after getting the gig. I would say Maurice runs a much more physical and less offensive system compared to Q and also he runs a man to man coverage in the D zone.
Could it be that the fans who think it is so obvious are just seeing what they want, that there is an easy solution to get their player going and in actual fact it is much more difficult than that?
Hard to imagine that the whole Flames organization over two seasons with changes are worse at breaking down systems than some low level "scout" for a 2 bit media company.
Even if you buy into the Flames being too stubborn, wouldn't there be a team out there who realize this and see an opportunity to dump some of their dead weights to bring in a guy that is so easy to fix?
You should read the scout’s work and judge it based on its merits
