2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Spurs

The dominant teams have 3-5 elite players so a couple of drafts doesn't get us to that level. We would need some of our own players to reach the talent level that Colorado and TB have.

And even then that means we knock the drafts out of the park which is very unlikely as well. So becoming dominant in that time frame with zero dominant players coming from the group we have is borderline impossible.

They didn't become dominant overnight.

It takes time. We don't know what we have with some of our picks.

Be positive for once.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They didn't become dominant overnight.

It takes time. We don't know what we have with some of our picks.

Be positive for once.

There is nothing negative in what I posted at all. It was pointing out facts about what happened and what it would take to be dominant.

My whole post showed that it doesn't happen overnight like that poster was suggesting. If that is your point you are agreeing with me not them.

Yes we don't know what we have with out picks but it isn't negative to point out that there is no reason to think any of them (or the vast majority of picks made) are turning into Mackinnon, Makar, Stamkos, Point, Vasilevsky, Hedman.

[Flamesfan05]

Yeah the fastest rebuild would take 5-7 yrs to be a contender let alone being dominant

The Flames core piece does not exist today if they are rebuilding

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah the fastest rebuild would take 5-7 yrs to be a contender let alone being dominant

The Flames core piece does not exist today if they are rebuilding

If the goal of ownership is to win the Stanley cup (which it isn’t), then the first step is buy into your point.

The flames can only contend once they can offload kadri and huberdeau, which will be the last couple years of they’re deals.

The plan should be:

1. No more long term contracts.
2. Focus trades incoming 4 years to acquire draft picks.
3. As players come to end of term, trade at TDL.
4. Fill roster with free agents with something to prove. Give them 1st and 2nd line minutes to maximize their next deal and get some good TDL assets.
5. Start locking in top players to 8 year contacts as RFA’s starting in 2025/26
6. Accept the flames will suck.
7. Oh yeah, spend under the cap and take on reclamation projects for assets.

But ownership won’t do this. They want the dome full to maximize revenues.

[Hackey]

Guys like Coronato or Honzek I think you hope can become very strong 2nd line players. Guys like Pelletier and Zary hopefully very strong 3rd liners. They definitely need some elite talent which is by far the hardest to find. And as we know not everyone pans out so while we hope a player or two surprises, you know that will be offset by players also not living up to expectation. This is exactly why you should load up in a rebuild to increase your odds. I think they really missed a big opportunity, selling off after Tkachuk wanted out and getting a high pick in the Bedard draft. That would have been a prime opportunity to land one of those elite players.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah the fastest rebuild would take 5-7 yrs to be a contender let alone being dominant

The Flames core piece does not exist today if they are rebuilding

Dustin Wolf certainly is tending to be a core piece as he continues to absolutely dominate any league he is in.

I do think the Flames could ice a competitive team when the new rink opens if they are able to get some luck along the way and utilize their assets properly. That starts with moving all pending free agents. Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Dube all moved for futures based returns. If Markstrom continues his improved play he is an intriguing trade chip for the team as well.

They need to pick 1st ideally in this upcoming draft or the following draft. A couple of years of high picks is a requirement. Mangiapane would be among their big rental piece to sell next summer or deadline.

I think they have some solid middle 6 pieces in the pipeline in Coronato, Honzek, Zary, Pelletier they just need some high end talent that the next 2 drafts could provide. Hopefully they have multiple picks in the first or second round in the next 2-3 years. With cap flexibility and plenty of picks and prospects they could be a spot to pounce on the next you g RFA that wants a change of scenery. With some core building blocks and a new rink getting closer each year Calgary can shift to being more desirable for players to come.

It doesn’t mean in 3 years they compete for the cup but they don’t need to be in the tank for 5-7 years

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CFO

I actually don't think the flames are far off from being a future dominate team.

The young guys 25 and under are showing promise. All the flames need is a couple top 5 picks who are impact forwards and in 3-4 years the team will be considerable different. With Kadri and Huberdeau as the benn and Seguin of the team.

I really can’t think of many teams that are farther away from contending than the flames.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720869080243011789

[Badgers Nose]

Yeah, Tampa had a world class goalie, d-man and centre. That put them on track to be really good. Then other picks turned into excellent complimentary players and that made them a contender. They were ruthless moving on from potential boat anchor contracts and problem players. To me that’s the model to follow over the next 5-7 years. Like last time, it should be fun to watch and the team will be good in 3-5 years.coaching and GM decisions will decide if they contend for a cup after that.

Flames might have the goalie. This draft should get them the centre or D. maybe both if somehow Conroy gets more 1sts.I think we have lots of future complimentary players and we’ll keep getting more. Some will exceed expectations.

Kadri and Huby will be good guys to have around to help build. It’s not that bleak.

[Badgers Nose]

Hamilton + filler (sorry Michael) got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

Is Hanifin worth as much as Hamilton was?

Is there any way we can replicate that and get a top line centre and top four d?

Damn, how the hell did Tre pull that off? And did Conroy learn that trick?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Hamilton + filler (sorry Michael) got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

Is Hanifin worth as much as Hamilton was?

Is there any way we can replicate that and get a top line centre and top four d?

Damn, how the hell did Tre pull that off? And did Conroy learn that trick?

Ferland's previous season helped (and tbf he replicated in year one in Carolina). Plus Lindholm wasn't even considered a centre, let alone a top one, in Carolina.

[Strange Brew]

And Adam Fox? He wasn’t a throw in. The equivalent on the Flames today would be Coronato or Wolf.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Hamilton + filler (sorry Michael) got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

Is Hanifin worth as much as Hamilton was?

Is there any way we can replicate that and get a top line centre and top four d?

Damn, how the hell did Tre pull that off? And did Conroy learn that trick?

Hamilton still had 3 years left on a team friendly deal which Hanifin and Lindholm do not. The Flames also lucked out with a team who played hardball with their RFA’s and decided to move on when the negotiations went south. Fox being an intriguing prospect who might sign in Carolina would have been the other factor that landed the Flames 2 former 5th overall picks aged 23 and 21

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And Adam Fox? He wasn’t a throw in. The equivalent on the Flames today would be Coronato or Wolf.

Not really, value diminishes big time when the entire league knows he’s not signing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

If the goal of ownership is to win the Stanley cup (which it isn’t), then the first step is buy into your point.

The flames can only contend once they can offload kadri and huberdeau, which will be the last couple years of they’re deals.

The plan should be:

1. No more long term contracts.
2. Focus trades incoming 4 years to acquire draft picks.
3. As players come to end of term, trade at TDL.
4. Fill roster with free agents with something to prove. Give them 1st and 2nd line minutes to maximize their next deal and get some good TDL assets.
5. Start locking in top players to 8 year contacts as RFA’s starting in 2025/26
6. Accept the flames will suck.
7. Oh yeah, spend under the cap and take on reclamation projects for assets.

But ownership won’t do this. They want the dome full to maximize revenues.

I would add take on bad contracts if the owners are willing. Carolina got Jarvis for taking on Marleau’s contract. Habs will get whatever they get for Monahan. In a relatively flat cap there will be contracts teams want to get rid of.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Not really, value diminishes big time when the entire league knows he’s not signing.

Revisionist history. Carolina certainly thought they could sign him.

If Fox isn’t in that deal, my guess is Flames had to kick in a first round pick.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

If the goal of ownership is to win the Stanley cup (which it isn’t), then the first step is buy into your point.

The flames can only contend once they can offload kadri and huberdeau, which will be the last couple years of they’re deals.

The plan should be:

1. No more long term contracts.
2. Focus trades incoming 4 years to acquire draft picks.
3. As players come to end of term, trade at TDL.
4. Fill roster with free agents with something to prove. Give them 1st and 2nd line minutes to maximize their next deal and get some good TDL assets.
5. Start locking in top players to 8 year contacts as RFA’s starting in 2025/26
6. Accept the flames will suck.
7. Oh yeah, spend under the cap and take on reclamation projects for assets.

But ownership won’t do this. They want the dome full to maximize revenues.

Hot take:

I don’t think the dome would be any less full than it is now.
So maybe they should give it a try.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Revisionist history. Carolina certainly thought they could sign him.

If Fox isn’t in that deal, my guess is Flames had to kick in a first round pick.

My guess is it would have likely been Bennett and Hamilton instead of Ferland and Hamilton if Fox wasn't involved.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dustin Wolf certainly is tending to be a core piece as he continues to absolutely dominate any league he is in.

I do think the Flames could ice a competitive team when the new rink opens if they are able to get some luck along the way and utilize their assets properly. That starts with moving all pending free agents. Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Dube all moved for futures based returns. If Markstrom continues his improved play he is an intriguing trade chip for the team as well.

They need to pick 1st ideally in this upcoming draft or the following draft. A couple of years of high picks is a requirement. Mangiapane would be among their big rental piece to sell next summer or deadline.

I think they have some solid middle 6 pieces in the pipeline in Coronato, Honzek, Zary, Pelletier they just need some high end talent that the next 2 drafts could provide. Hopefully they have multiple picks in the first or second round in the next 2-3 years. With cap flexibility and plenty of picks and prospects they could be a spot to pounce on the next you g RFA that wants a change of scenery. With some core building blocks and a new rink getting closer each year Calgary can shift to being more desirable for players to come.

It doesn’t mean in 3 years they compete for the cup but they don’t need to be in the tank for 5-7 years

Wolf may be one but he has to be Hasek to survive the rebuild. They are going to be so bad. Goalie is normally the last piece not the first piece of the rebuild

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720869080243011789

More than 10,000 votes. 37% say Columbus says no 36% say Calgary says no 27% say fair trade. Based on those results that is a pretty even deal but the problem is no chance Lindy takes 8x8 that would need to be $9M I think.