Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Very shocked as well if the NDP will actually change course and support the conservative motion.

It's the right move for them (you can most certainly still be fully for carbon tax while providing exemptions across the board on essentials such as heating during a transition period).

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think Carney would absolutely dummy Pollievre in an election. Depends on if the libs can clean house and image enough between now and 2025.

Carney is everything Pollievre pretends to be. He was born in rural canada, raised in Alberta, obviously an undisputed global expert on economics, and has long been recognized as one of the primary architects of Canada's survival during the 08 financial crisis. Also, he doesn't sound like a petulant child when he speaks.

You can put the lipstick on the pig by making PP look like mini Harper in a cardigan reading you a bed time story... but man when he speaks, he still has the biggest Whinehole voice in Canadian Politics.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Very shocked as well if the NDP will actually change course and support the conservative motion.

It's the right move for them (you can most certainly still be fully for carbon tax while providing exemptions across the board on essentials such as heating during a transition period).

So because the NDP are the only Federal Party that has the provincial parties attached to them, the NDP have put themselves in a bad spot. Most of the NDP Provinical Parties have spoken out against the unfairness of the carve out. So if Jagmeet ignores them and votes with the Liberals, he goes counter to his parties wishes so to speak.


Also most of his social media has been around Justin Trudeau and Pierre are evvvillll and don't care about the cost of living issues. if he votes with Justin, then he looks like a doofus, who's messages is meaningless. If he votes with Pierre members of his party will label him as a traitor.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720182835569373548

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think Carney would absolutely dummy Pollievre in an election. Depends on if the libs can clean house and image enough between now and 2025.

Carney is everything Pollievre pretends to be. He was born in rural canada, raised in Alberta, obviously an undisputed global expert on economics, and has long been recognized as one of the primary architects of Canada's survival during the 08 financial crisis. Also, he doesn't sound like a petulant child when he speaks.

The election won’t be about Pollievre. It will be a referendum on the Liberals and the status quo - which it turns out Canadians are not happy with.

When the winds of politics blow populist, establishment figures like Carney get swept aside. It will be too easy to paint him as an architect of the system that brought on the housing crisis. Carney would do better to keep his powder dry, win a safe seat, and build up his support in the Liberal party. He doesn’t want to Ignatieff this thing.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Also most of his social media has been around Justin Trudeau and Pierre are evvvillll and don't care about the cost of living issues. if he votes with Justin, then he looks like a doofus, who's messages is meaningless. If he votes with Pierre members of his party will label him as a traitor.

That's why it's a lose lose situation, why making such a deal with the Liberal was foolish, and Twitter rhetoric eventually falls on deaf ears as he has the ability to force changes.

This is the lesser of the bad options though, as he can still sell it as a win. What's interesting is I was listening to parliament earlier in the morning and the message from the NDP was pretty different, it seems they had a change of direction mid-day.

CBC's article on it

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...-tax-1.7016776

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The election won’t be about Pollievre. It will be a referendum on the Liberals and the status quo - which it turns out Canadians are not happy with.

When the winds of politics blow populist, establishment figures like Carney get swept aside. It will be too easy to paint him as an architect of the system that brought on the housing crisis. Carney would do better to keep his powder dry, win a safe seat, and build up his support in the Liberal party. He doesn’t want to Ignatieff this thing.

I don’t think the path is that easy for Pollievre. I suspect the polls aren’t this way because they love PP, it’s because they hate JT. If someone comes in and replaces JT the vulnerability that PP has about his right flank could get exposed and the tide turns quickly.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I don’t think the path is that easy for Pollievre. I suspect the polls aren’t this way because they love PP, it’s because they hate JT. If someone comes in and replaces JT the vulnerability that PP has about his right flank could get exposed and the tide turns quickly.

I don't think the right flank is a big concern for PP. Most of the right-leaning folks in the country are firmly disenchanted with the LPC, and some of them have made it very clear that they'll tolerate bigotry in government as long as they perceive a modest increase in their household budgets.

The bigger concern for the CPC is if the NDP support in Ontario and/or BQ support in Quebec collapses to give the Liberals another term, which is what happened last election when the CPC had a much more tolerable leader in O'Toole. Hell, I'd take Scheer over PP at this point.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think the right flank is a big concern for PP. Most of the right-leaning folks in the country are firmly disenchanted with the LPC, and some of them have made it very clear that they'll tolerate bigotry in government as long as they perceive a modest increase in their household budgets.

The bigger concern for the CPC is if the NDP support in Ontario and/or BQ support in Quebec collapses to give the Liberals another term, which is what happened last election when the CPC had a much more tolerable leader in O'Toole. Hell, I'd take Scheer over PP at this point.

I’m not suggesting the right flank has a place to go, just that the Center of the spectrum will not like voting for a party that could give rise to that flank if they can avoid it. Right now they would be voting against Trudeau….if that changes the election does too.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I’m not suggesting the right flank has a place to go, just that the Center of the spectrum will not like voting for a party that could give rise to that flank if they can avoid it. Right now they would be voting against Trudeau….if that changes the election does too.

That depends on whether Canadian voters are dissatisfied with Trudeau in particular or the political and economic status quo in general. My sense is it’s the latter.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That depends on whether Canadian voters are dissatisfied with Trudeau in particular or the political and economic status quo in general. My sense is it’s the latter.

Time will tell I guess.

[Calgary '89]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think Carney would absolutely dummy Pollievre in an election. Depends on if the libs can clean house and image enough between now and 2025.

Carney is everything Pollievre pretends to be. He was born in rural canada, raised in Alberta, obviously an undisputed global expert on economics, and has long been recognized as one of the primary architects of Canada's survival during the 08 financial crisis. Also, he doesn't sound like a petulant child when he speaks.

He definitely seems like he could go toe to toe with anyone intellectually, but most people don’t vote for someone cuz they’re intellectual. Justin Trudeau is a case in point.

Carney already fired a shot across the bow yesterday when he talked about how career politicians tend to have a simplistic view of the world and how decisions are actually made. That seems aimed right at PP and good for him, but a multimillionaire scholar using words like 'simplistic' when describing people is a double edged sword in politics. We’ll see how the dude handles it all.

There’s a lot to be seen still and I think the sooner Trudeau steps down the better we’ll all be in the long run but I’m curious to see what that famous self esteem of his allows.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I don’t think the path is that easy for Pollievre. I suspect the polls aren’t this way because they love PP, it’s because they hate JT. If someone comes in and replaces JT the vulnerability that PP has about his right flank could get exposed and the tide turns quickly.

It’s because the cost of living is up and people can’t afford their rent, housing , food and CC payments and they are looking for someone to blame / looking for hope/change

Most people couldn’t care less about the rest of politics

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary '89

He definitely seems like he could go toe to toe with anyone intellectually, but most people don’t vote for someone cuz they’re intellectual. Justin Trudeau is a case in point.

Carney already fired a shot across the bow yesterday when he talked about how career politicians tend to have a simplistic view of the world and how decisions are actually made. That seems aimed right at PP and good for him, but a multimillionaire scholar using words like 'simplistic' when describing people is a double edged sword in politics. We’ll see how the dude handles it all.

The most obvious example is Michael Ignatieff. Brilliant, globally renowned intellectual and policy wonk. Dismal failure as a politician.

Carney seems more savvy than Ignatieff. But he’s never had to run for election, arouse public enthusiasm, or defend himself from political attack; the only people he’s had to impress in his career are bankers and bureaucrats. The general public is a whole other animal.

[CaptainCrunch]

This is from the Arrive Can app committee with an exchange between the head of GC Strategies and Michael Barnett.


The contractors story has kept changing through out his time in front of the committee. He doesn't remember meetings in hotels and private residences between himself and government officials. Can't explain why the work was done years ago, and they're still billing. Can't produce invoices.



Barnett at the end demanded his banking records, and the witness started arguing that they are private.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720452169772437597


If we could trust the RCMP to do proper investigations, they should be kicking the doors down on a lot of these contractors and seizing their computers.

[Ironhorse]

What a weasel.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

What a weasel.

This is why you can’t automatically say the Liberals will lose the next election, or the CPC will win a majority. They grift soooo much taxpayers money around that people will still vote for them, as long as they keep sending money their way.

I mean, the thing with buying Atlantic votes with the heating oil tax relaxation is just the tip of the iceberg. What has already been done, and how much taxpayer dollars will be spent before the next election to buy votes will be something to see. Well, I guess, we won’t see or know about most of it….

[Firebot]

Hopefully once the Conservative gets in power, they open the book on all the investigations that were shut down by the current Liberal-NDP coalition (which to their credit NDP did vote with Conservatives on ArriveCan last year and why this current committee was even possible).

https://ourcommons.ca/members/en/vot...207?view=party

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...n-contracting/

Also a reminder that the Liberal government tried to shut down the investigation into ArriveCan.

[CaptainCrunch]

This is what it looks like when you get caught lying in committee

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720509622530855023

[FunkMasterFlame]

Ah yes, the ol' "It's not a cottage its a chalet" gambit.