Senators forfeit 1st round pick (in 2024, 2025 or 2026) because of Dadonov trade

[flambers]

TSN is now stating that "Today I'm here to announce that Pierre Dorion has resigned and been relieved of his duties as General Manager."

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think the lack of punishment to the Hawks is the main issue for people

The lack of punishment for some teams (the Hawks, the Devils, etc) and the willingness to bend other franchises over.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

You can’t make this stuff up, the NHL is an absolute joke. Best sport in the world ran by the worst possible management. Hypocrites.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719801295039586660

Damn this is so bush league and sketchy by the NHL. But wouldn't Andlauer's lawyer do the due diligence, including ongoing claim, investigations, etc. against the Senators prior to closing? Did the NHL just cover the investigation up too?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Why is the NHL always so bush league?

It's in the DNA.

The NHL was founded to spite one of the owners in the previous league, the NHA. The Toronto franchise (today's Leafs) was started with that owner's players and arena deal, without compensation to him. When the courts ruled that compensation was owed, the Toronto club filed for bankruptcy to avoid payment.

One early franchise, the Quebec Bulldogs, was revoked by Frank Calder (yes, that Calder), who then sold it to interests in Hamilton and did not keep any record of the sale receipts. Apparently he put the franchise fee in his own pocket.

A few years later, Calder suspended the Hamilton franchise and assigned all its players to an expansion team, the New York Americans. Again, no compensation was paid.

This league has a 106-year history of screwing over small markets to pursue its own agenda. They can't just revoke franchises anymore, because all the owners are rich enough to pay top-notch lawyers, but they will still do dirty business if they can get away with it.

[devo22]

so you have a league which wasn't transparent to a team's new owner, punishing that same team for not being transparent. Cool stuff, and how very NHL.

[Fuzzy14]

Damn this is so bush league and sketchy by the NHL. But wouldn't Andlauer's lawyer do the due diligence, including ongoing claim, investigations, etc. against the Senators prior to closing? Did the NHL just cover the investigation up too?

Likely some blame on both sides. To an extent, the buyer would be relying on the NHLs representations regarding the existence of ongoing legal matters, especially those which are not as of yet public knowledge.

On the other hand, the Dadonov situation isn't exactly a secret so the Due Diligence team should probably have had some sort of question to the NHL regarding that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

You can’t make this stuff up, the NHL is an absolute joke. Best sport in the world ran by the worst possible management. Hypocrites.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719801295039586660

I have a hard time believing the Pinto incident would have any effect on franchise value or be a deterrent to purchase. I'm also not clear if it's something the NHL could disclose seeing that gambling as with drug or alcohol related transgressions would be a private matter with the player as long as it's under investigation. The loss of the 1st round pick is steep but as Fuzzy14 said the Dandonov situation was not a secret and anyone looking at acquiring the team should be asking about any open investigations that may be ongoing with the team. Seems like a bit of a mountain out of a mole hole.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t see how this is similar to ROR at all. This was negligence and deceit that had actual negative consequences for multiple franchises. Feaster and the flames were never at risk and ultimately would have been proven correct. Sens were never correct in any way shape or form. Maybe the sens were vindicated because they produced evidence that the NTC was void, then maybe I could see some similarities.

Wait, is this true? I've always understood that the Flames were at high risk and misinterpreted the rules.

[FireGilbert]

If embarrassing the NHL is what it takes to lose a first rounder then Chicago should have lost more than 1. That cover up also impacted Florida who would never hired Quennville if the Hawks were honest.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have a hard time believing the Pinto incident would have any effect on franchise value or be a deterrent to purchase. I'm also not clear if it's something the NHL could disclose seeing that gambling as with drug or alcohol related transgressions would be a private matter with the player as long as it's under investigation. The loss of the 1st round pick is steep but as Fuzzy14 said the Dandonov situation was not a secret and anyone looking at acquiring the team should be asking about any open investigations that may be ongoing with the team. Seems like a bit of a mountain out of a mole hole.

The Dadonov situation, at least publicly, was stated a few years ago as resolved and there would be no further discipline. Now mind you who actually knows what was said behind closed doors, however the loss of a first round pick plus the negative optics will have some financial impacts. Legally I wouldn’t even venture a guess as to what could be done for the Sens.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My understanding (can't remember what podcast or article I read this in) is that Ottawa said that the agent had failed to submit the No Trade List, thus voiding the conditions. This is often part of these conditions, if the player or agent don't submit the list, the NTC is off.

So the trade was made based on that understanding, and then the agent produced proof that they had submitted the list to Ottawa.

Which is why this punishment is severe. Ottawa was either incompetent or lied. But in doing so they created issues for all the teams involved and the player.

There has to be some onus on Vegas to protect themselves, all they had to do was ask the agent to confirm a list was not supplied. I tend to doubt Ottawa would lie about this, as that would be hard to recover from when you negotiate with such a small group. There is such a thing as due diligence.

Unless Ottawa makes a formal representation there is no trade restrictions then Vegas should have sought evidence.

Also, how many times did the Oiler try to trade injured players?

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

73 pages!? How is that even possible

Because lawyers.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Yet the Oilers have knowingly traded injured players with no repercussions.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Ped

The lack of punishment for some teams (the Hawks, the Devils, etc) and the willingness to bend other franchises over.

I'm pissed that there were basically no repercussions to Chicago regarding the Beach incident, but it's not surprising that the NHL wanted this whole incident wrapped up and forgotten as soon as possible. If they could have, they probably would have preferred to just sweep this whole incident under the rug, and when they couldn't do that, they came out and did an investigation. Any further action would have caused more headlines and bad publicity.

Now I definitely don't believe something as serious as a SA case should be ignored or dealt with haphazardly to prevent bad publicity, but it's clear the NHL just wanted this thing over with as soon as possible.

Ottawa's situation is different. There's no bad publicity from a general public point of view so they can come down as hard as they want on Ottawa.

And all of that is very bush league by the NHL.

[OutOfTheCube]

Ottawa really random on the wheel of justice this year.

Half game suspension for a player gambling on other sports.
Tkachuk not given the 'automatic' suspension for instigator in the last 5 mins.

Now this.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

If embarrassing the NHL is what it takes to lose a first rounder then Chicago should have lost more than 1. That cover up also impacted Florida who would never hired Quennville if the Hawks were honest.

And the other player(s) that wound up being abused later on because Chicago covered up what happenned there and he went on to work elsewhere.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

If embarrassing the NHL is what it takes to lose a first rounder then Chicago should have lost more than 1. That cover up also impacted Florida who would never hired Quennville if the Hawks were honest.

Covering up a sexual assault is criminal and should be treated as such.

[Groot]

So the NHL did not disclose information to close a transaction with Andlauer, and then they decided they are punishing Ottawa for not disclosing information to close a transaction.

Makes perfect sense.

[bluejays]

It's kinda funny hearing the cliche "bush league" thrown around so much. I only hear it in hockey circles.


Anyway, sounds like Andlauer throwing the NHL in the crosshairs, while also dumping Dorion, will ultimately allow him to claim, "it wasn't disclosed to me when it should have been. I ate $2M of my own costs by firing Dorion for bringing the league/team into disrepute. What are you going to do for me?" No doubt the penalty will be rescinded. Just doesn't make sense given the new owner.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Anyway, sounds like Andlauer throwing the NHL in the crosshairs, while also dumping Dorion, will ultimately allow him to claim, "it wasn't disclosed to me when it should have been. I ate $2M of my own costs by firing Dorion for bringing the league/team into disrepute. What are you going to do for me?" No doubt the penalty will be rescinded. Just doesn't make sense given the new owner.

Pretty much this.

The league gave back the first (albeit the last pick in the 1st round) the Devils lost in the Kovalchuk signing because of new ownership. Andlauer angling for the same play.