[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Maybe the mandate from ownership changed? Doubt Conroy has any more autonomy than Treliving did.

Maybe Conroy was in the aggressive retool/rebuild camp and ownership wanted some more time or the players have basically confirmed they won't re-sign.
I love how people are are already whining about the wording of the rumour. They rebuilt once Iggy wanted out.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Maybe the mandate from ownership changed? Doubt Conroy has any more autonomy than Treliving did.

I imagine the level of autonomy, like in any role, is results based and changes over time.

Treliving should have been let go once a coach was hired that he didn’t want. Ownerships fault and lead to a toxic organization

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

At this point you like to hear it, but the fact that a 5 game sample size can so dramatically change a team's approach or direction moving forward is scary.

If we rattle five wins off in a row - are talks all the sudden back on?

To me this reads that they're taking a wait-and-see approach and will adjust their plans based on how the team performs over the next several weeks. I don't see anything wrong with waiting for more information before making any major moves.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nine games should not change the course of the team’s plan. That’s a problem. If it takes only nine games to make you change your mind in your strategic plan, then your plan was crap to begin with.

Yes, it should. Huberdeau's contract literally just kicked in, and many guys were expected to bounce back. They were in a position where they needed to see what they actually had in this team. Now they know. This is a good decision by the Flames, and one based on reality, not hypotheticals.

The "retool" phrasing is slightly concerning, but I'll take any positives for now. Better than having them continue negotiations and pretend they are still likely to be competitive.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Do people seriously think Conroy isn’t gonna try to get futures for our UFA’s? The guy who said he wished the team had more picks over the years and said it’s important to build your team through the draft like Tampa?

[Vinny01]

I am trying to look at what has happened as a positive. I think it was reasonable for the Flames to think the team would bounce back as I a sure the message was overwhelmingly clear that Sutter was the problem in their eyes. Seeing how this team has come out in the new season is showing at least me that Sutter got more out of this group than they would be capable without him.

The good vibes are quickly washed away and this roster looks ready for an overhaul. I do fear the path is going to be trying to add win now talent instead of high picks but I also don’t trust much of what Francis has to say as much of what he puts out there is opinion and not fact. The quote that Sportsnetnhas learned the talks are gold is something I believe but the rest is just opinion that more times than not is wrong.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Dube should be the pieces that go between now and the deadline then look at bigger deals in the offseason. If Markstrom regains his value that makes a ton of sense. I would mind getting out of Weegar’s deal. I am not sure there is a future for Mangiapane on this roster if he wants the same or more money on an extension. Maybe grant Backlund his wish to go elsewhere but none of those moves are as pressing as the pending free agents.

[Toonage]

While I was initially happy to hear Hanifin was nearing an extension I can totally get behind this move 100%

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

which 4th liner are we going to trade Lindholm for to retool on the fly?

lol give yourself a little hope. Would you prefer they announce a complete firesale. Come and get all the Flames UFAs for rock bottom prices. I am cautiously optimistic.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol give yourself a little hope. Would you prefer they announce a complete firesale. Come and get all the Flames UFAs for rock bottom prices. I am cautiously optimistic.

I don't need them to announce anything. I am simply awaiting the first transaction and hope it isn't another shortsighted whiff to try and remain relevant.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

no it wouldn't

Ya you are right. You are describing a scenario where the Flames make trade for a guy on a second year contract that is between 2-2.5 million, the cap would balance. I was wrong.

So trades like (all Lindholm at half price)

Elias Lindholm at half price to the Oilers for Ryan Mcleod

Lindhom to the Golden Knights for Nic Hague

Lindholm to the Blue Jackets for Boqvist

Lindholm to the Isles for Romanov

Lindholm for Lafrennier or Kakko

There are probably about 10-12 players in the league who make 2-2.5 million and are on their second contract (ie yhoung enough for a retool) that Conroy can look at.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

which 4th liner are we going to trade Lindholm for to retool on the fly?

Tbh if you want a chance at the #1 pick, this wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...eatens-season/

There is a God.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Who said 9 games changed Conroy's plan? Maybe Conroy had a plan to restructure but was convinced to "wait and see" after 10 games. Clearly all talking heads weren't on the same page.

9 games probably isn't enough to warrant changing the plan, but it probably is enough to warrant saying "let's not lock ourselves on a path by signing everyone to long-term contracts until we see how it shakes out over the next 20 games."

[Hackey]

First good decision these guys have made in years.

[Johnny Makarov]

Nothing good will happen until we get Markstrom off this team. Call up Wolf and Dansk

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Tbh if you want a chance at the #1 pick, this wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen

The roster impact would be the same if instead we traded him for pure prospects/picks and retained salary to open up the pool of potential bidders.

I want value for these players. I don't want the value to come from simply making the team worse and picking higher with our own draft picks.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Nothing good will happen until we get Markstrom off this team. Call up Wolf and Dansk

Markstrom’s been the teams best player so far lol

[Ashes]

"Significant Re-Tool" is the closest we will ever get to a true rebuild with this ownership group, so I'm going to choose to be optimistic about this news.. which is honestly an unfamiliar feeling for me, considering the state of the franchise over the last 2 years.

At the very least, this kind of statement shows that they aren't going to double down on this core and it gives Conroy from now until February to understand how many bidders and what the potential returns will be for Lindholm, Hanifin, and maybe others. This is a huge W (relatively speaking).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't need them to announce anything. I am simply awaiting the first transaction and hope it isn't another shortsighted whiff to try and remain relevant.

Why don't you wait for it before deciding it already sucks

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Markstrom’s been the teams best player so far lol

Team's confidence is wrecked when he starts. Like it's a guaranteed loss when you start him against the Oilers. Because of that I didn't even bother to watch.