Biggest Concern in Calgary?

[Hackey]

The Flames have put themselves in such a terrible situation that it will likely take years to just get back to zero, nevermind any actual true rebuild.

When Johnny left and Tkachuk wanted out what an absolute perfect time to rebuild. You trade Tkachuk for a futures package, you trade Lindholm and Hanifin with 2 years left after career years, you tank in a very deep Bedard draft, and you have no boat anchors in Huberdeau and Kadri. This year you sell off remaining UFAs, you draft high again. In a 2 year span you'd have a boat load of high end youth to add to your current prospects.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So we are basically Florida fans for the next two years.

Well seems like many already were
But yes this codifies it

[troutman]

Small market Canadian team - needs to hoard draft picks. Never trade away 1sts.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well seems like many already were
But yes this codifies it

The only thing that could really screw the Flames is if Florida sucks this year or next year. As long as Florida is good in both seasons the Flames should only be giving up a 15-25th overall pick.

Go Chucky and Sammy, fill up the net.

[Flamesfan05]

There is no longer a core


Basically you have a house with no foundation

Good luck with that


The only way is to rebuild

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The Flames have put themselves in such a terrible situation that it will likely take years to just get back to zero, nevermind any actual true rebuild.

When Johnny left and Tkachuk wanted out what an absolute perfect time to rebuild. You trade Tkachuk for a futures package, you trade Lindholm and Hanifin with 2 years left after career years, you tank in a very deep Bedard draft, and you have no boat anchors in Huberdeau and Kadri. This year you sell off remaining UFAs, you draft high again. In a 2 year span you'd have a boat load of high end youth to add to your current prospects.

Not when Treliving thought he was Calle Jarnkrok away from winning it all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Not when Treliving thought he was Calle Jarnkrok away from winning it all.

Who would think a team with 2 top 10 scorers, the Jack Adams winner, Vezina runner up, Selke runner up, top 5 in goals for and top 3 in goals against was a player away from winning?

[iamca]

Shovels in the ground for the new event centre.

If you think about the future of this team, that is a fairly critical juncture to actually get this project underway with a completion date hopefully sooner rather than later.

There are no future free agents, and please note I wrote future, that will consider getting excited about signing in Calgary without a replacement for the venerable Saddledome. Retirement contracts notwithstanding…

Then it all starts at the top: Ownership, CEO, POHO, all new to let go of this team in favor of a group with an actual vision and plan for the future and not just a revenue model, but a plan that translates to on-ice competitiveness and playoff success.


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[chedder]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who would think a team with 2 top 10 scorers, the Jack Adams winner, Vezina runner up, Selke runner up, top 5 in goals for and top 3 in goals against was a player away from winning?

nm. The actual point you're making makes sense. The original point about a Jarnkrok away doesn't as that was the year before the team lost Johnny and Chucky.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by chedder

The team that barely got past Dallas then got thoroughly embarrassed by Edmonton. They were nowhere near a player away from winning. And it wasn't all on Markstrom.

IDK a team that missed the playoffs that season won the next year with minor tweaks

[Psytic]

Dallas was a conference final team the year after and made the Stanley Cup final not long before that. That team is no slouch. Edmonton whether we want to admit it or not is regularly thought of as a contender in despite of whats going on this early season. It was a good Flames core but a fragile team with confidence issues. If Markstrom is Markstrom I think they make the conference final personally.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The only thing that could really screw the Flames is if Florida sucks this year or next year. As long as Florida is good in both seasons the Flames should only be giving up a 15-25th overall pick.

Go Chucky and Sammy, fill up the net.

about that

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by saillias

For me, that Conroy is in over his head managing this

Totally agree. And if his mentors are Maloney and Nonis we’re screwed.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by troutman

Small market Canadian team - needs to hoard draft picks. Never trade away 1sts.

There is a time to trade 1sts.

Like when you have 97 and 29. Then, you don’t need need a bunch of 18 year olds the coach won’t put out in crunch time.

Or if you think you can win a round or two.

Trade 1sts to augment an elite core - not to add extra “core” players. Or Travis Hamonic.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by chedder

nm. The actual point you're making makes sense. The original point about a Jarnkrok away doesn't as that was the year before the team lost Johnny and Chucky.

Adding at the deadline that year is logical. Not rethinking the direction of the team after your two star players leave, not so much. Especially when you knew that group was very inconsistent even with those two stars carrying them.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

I’m concerned with numerous things but it starts with ownership.

Firstly I’m worried if there is a clause in the stadium contract that allows the team to relocate due to poor fan participation. If that some how triggers due to our team being very bad for a very long time, I don’t want our team to go. I sure hope edwards is a fan first and not a a corporate hit man looking to hollow out our team to get a massive profit on the sale of our team Because he sure doesn’t want to rebuild. Last year was a prime year to do that and he allowed our gmbt to go in the opposite route by trading future assets in the last couple of years.

Secondly I am concerned with our current crop of prospects Being tainted by the apathetic play from our veteran players.

Thirdly I am concerned with resigning guys like lindholm and hanifin to massive deals when they have little leadership to show this group that they care. Perhaps they are sulking from the Huberdeau deal?

This team is no where close a contender and need to let wild cards develop into nhl’ers while hoarding picks and cap space to give anchors to other drowning gms.

I’m worried that Conroy won’t survive this phase of the flames.

I’m concerned that this team will screw up a chance to get Celebrini like they always do. Does this team make it into the top twelve of the league to trigger the Montreal clause?

I’m concerned that Connie will get taken to the woodshed for the expiring contracts on this team.

Basically I have a lot of concerns.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Dallas was a conference final team the year after and made the Stanley Cup final not long before that. That team is no slouch. Edmonton whether we want to admit it or not is regularly thought of as a contender in despite of whats going on this early season. It was a good Flames core but a fragile team with confidence issues. If Markstrom is Markstrom I think they make the conference final personally.

I think the lack of a 3rd line was also very evident. Jarnkrok brought absolutely nothing to that line and in hindsight, dropping Lindholm down to play with Toffoli might have made a lot of sense given the chemistry they eventually showed together.

Possibly all moot though as the Flames had no answer for the McDavid and Draisaitl duo and continue to have no answer. Can’t wait until they cost $30+ million in cap space which in theory could crumple the Oiler’s competitive window.

[Stud_McCool]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Its painful to think of what could have been last year. When tkachuk asked out, the flames had a great opportunity to either move him for mostly/all futures or a massive package of win now players. They chose the latter. Huberdeau and Weegar both had 1 year left of sweetheart contracts. Rather than extending them, they could've sold 1 or both for easily another 1st each, maybe even more.

Tkachuk for 3 1sts + looks pretty good for a rebuild.

Lets assume they dont then use that first to offload monahan and sign kadri.

Going into the draft with lets say 2 firsts, 2024 with 2, and 2025 with 2 is a hell of a start to a rebuild. Not to mention the insane cap space they would have to potentially take on bad contracts for 1 or 2 years to add multiple 2nds and 3rds on top of that.



Huge opportunity that was completely ignored

If there was a time machine, the asset management of the Tkachuk trade would've been next level. Montreal would've paid a king's ransom for Huberdeau; Weegar would've fetched a decent haul; Kadri signing would've never happened thus fast tracking a rebuild with lots and lots of cap space. Salivating just thinking about the possibilities!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who would think a team with 2 top 10 scorers, the Jack Adams winner, Vezina runner up, Selke runner up, top 5 in goals for and top 3 in goals against was a player away from winning?

The point was Treliving wasn’t going to rebuild when he thought he was close to a championship. Even after Johnny and Tkachuk left , he reloaded with Huberdeau and sold the house for Kadri. Dude was going all in or go home . In his case run and he did.

He didn’t give a #### about the future of the Flames. But some people still think he is a good guy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The point was Treliving wasn’t going to rebuild when he thought he was close to a championship. Even after Johnny and Tkachuk left , he reloaded with Huberdeau and sold the house for Kadri. Dude was going all in or go home . In his case run and he did.

He didn’t give a #### about the future of the Flames. But some people still think he is a good guy.

I agree with your point there I have become much more critical of Treliving since the start of this year. The fact he lost the 2 franchise players and convinced the fans, management, and players they could make a trade and sign a free agent and remain competitive was a huge fail. He bailed because he knew he screwed this team.

I don’t know how many GM’s get to build a team, tear it down, and build again especially when all they can hang their hat on in 9 years is 2 division banners and 2 series wins.