Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Great assessment from them.

I said the exact same thing the other day.

The team looks eerily like last year.

The team has zero top end. I mean honestly. Who is their best player? I have no idea. Who could get hurt and it would even matter? Again no idea.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I said the exact same thing the other day.

The team looks eerily like last year.

The team has zero top end. I mean honestly. Who is their best player? I have no idea. Who could get hurt and it would even matter? Again no idea.

Lindholm is easily their best forward and it’s not close. I don’t think people realize how much he’s relied on in all situations, both sides of special teams, and how many little things he does. He’s not a superstar, but becomes elite with a superstar. Next tier is Backlund, Mangiapane, Coleman. Would greatly miss any of them. Then the rest which are basically replaceable.

On D Rasmus is top by a decent amount, but he’s not elite. He’s a legit #1 but bottom tier. Then Weegar and Hanifin who are borderline first pair but probably should be 2nd pair. Then Zadorov, who’s just kind of got this uniqueness and is straight up awesome in his own way, but has limitations. We’d miss any of those four massively. Tanev, bless his heart, is well into decline now.

IMO obviously and very subjective. And sad. We don’t have any superstars and only one guy who is elite in the right situation. We thought we were getting a superstar (Hube) and an elite (Kadri) and they suck. Honestly not to pile on but that really is the main problem with the team in its current iteration - we lost two superstars and got nothing back. Maybe stating the obvious

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Yeah Andersson and Lindholm are their best players. But they're 1Bs at center and D.

Huberdeau should be their best but is not.

I swear this team zaps every good player of their top end skill when they come in. How is it that there is such a massive drop?

Huberdeau's decline was historical. Kadri's didn't feel far behind.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah Andersson and Lindholm are their best players. But they're 1Bs at center and D.

Huberdeau should be their best but is not.

I swear this team zaps every good player of their top end skill when they come in. How is it that there is such a massive drop?

Huberdeau's decline was historical. Kadri's didn't feel far behind.

Well what is your definition of “when they come in”. Is that specific to UFAs?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by heep223

lindholm is easily their best forward and it’s not close. I don’t think people realize how much he’s relied on in all situations, both sides of special teams, and how many little things he does. He’s not a superstar, but becomes elite with a superstar. Next tier is backlund, mangiapane, coleman. Would greatly miss any of them. Then the rest which are basically replaceable.

On d rasmus is top by a decent amount, but he’s not elite. He’s a legit #1 but bottom tier. Then weegar and hanifin who are borderline first pair but probably should be 2nd pair. Then zadorov, who’s just kind of got this uniqueness and is straight up awesome in his own way, but has limitations. We’d miss any of those four massively. Tanev, bless his heart, is well into decline now.

Imo obviously and very subjective. And sad. We don’t have any superstars and only one guy who is elite in the right situation. We thought we were getting a superstar (hube) and an elite (kadri) and they suck. Honestly not to pile on but that really is the main problem with the team in its current iteration - we lost two superstars and got nothing back. Maybe stating the obvious

100%

[FlamesAddiction]

I just don't think Huberdeau can handle the pressure of a big contract in a Canadian market, nor can he handle the on-ice pressure of being the focal point and supposed number one star player. The minute he gets pressured, he throws the puck away.

The best hope is to find speedy players that can cause a distraction on the ice and give him more room to work with. It sucks, but he is high maintenance when it comes to line creation and deployment, and the Flames have limited options.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just don't think Huberdeau can handle the pressure of a big contract in a Canadian market, nor can he handle the on-ice pressure of being the focal point and supposed number one star player. The minute he gets pressured, he throws the puck away.

The best hope is to find speedy players that can cause a distraction on the ice and give him more room to work with. It sucks, but he is high maintenance when it comes to line creation and deployment, and the Flames have limited options.

Well I can at least his passing is atrocious compared to what it used to be. There's always been glaring holes in his game (like that backcheck Boomer highlighted on the Debrincat goal gives me flashbacks, eww) but there was never denying that his passing is elite. It was tape to tape and he could thread a needle. So that tells me there is something definitely off right now. Maybe the guys aren't gelling in the room? Or maybe it's the contract that's weighing on him.

I just don't think they have any excuses left anymore. They already got the HOF coach fired and to me, once you go to that well it's all on them from that point forward. Everything. So they better get it going here and fast or the criticism is all justified.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah Andersson and Lindholm are their best players. But they're 1Bs at center and D.

Huberdeau should be their best but is not.

I swear this team zaps every good player of their top end skill when they come in. How is it that there is such a massive drop?

Huberdeau's decline was historical. Kadri's didn't feel far behind.

There is a relatively easy answer Trent. Both have been given huge contracts that will see them through to the end of their playing careers. The pressure is off, they have enough money to live a very comfortable life and provide everything their families could want and that guaranteed however they play. With Kadri he has also won a Stanley Cup so that’s another tick off the list. So that just leaves professional pride and judging by the effort put in neither are that bothered about that.

If the team does the same with our centre you will see the near same thing happen. It’s not that surprising really as it’s mostly human nature. Lesson is don’t go get UFA unless you are sure they are extremely competitive and hate losing even if they have already got a ring at home.

[Huntingwhale]

That play by Huberdeau...woof. Shades of Ovechkin or Draistal's controller off.

[Vinny01]

They need to get the pod up earlier. Isn’t this show over at 11:30? Just checked Spotify and still nothing for today

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

That play by Huberdeau...woof. Shades of Ovechkin or Draistal's controller off.

Honestly its pretty shallow analysis by the boys on that play. As Pinder even mentions.. Huberdeau had three Flames ahead of him on the backcheck. If he fully commits to Debricant there then he leaves the option for the trailer to be wide open to walk down mainstreet. It's was a team breakdown that started with Kadri being cleanly beat up the ice by Larkin. It then breaks further down when both Hanifin and Kadri commit to the puck carrier (Raymond) which allows Larkin to enter the zone unobstructed and with speed. Sure, I'd agree more awareness was needed from Huberdeau there, but that's a play that could have easily been shut down before it got to the two on one. Hanifin pivots away from the middle of the ice which creates the biggest issue on the play. To solely isolate Huberdeau seems unfair. It wasn't a good look for the five man unit.

[hixxes]

So Just a Game is done due to lack of audience. Any idea how Barburner is doing in terms of viewership/ listeners?

[Vinny01]

I think Barnburner is doing well. They seem to have a ton of sponsors they have added Noodles and Dreger as regular guests in addition to Serivali.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by hixxes

So Just a Game is done due to lack of audience. Any idea how Barburner is doing in terms of viewership/ listeners?

That was Rob Kerr's show? I feel bad for him but I don't know if there's enough appetite in southern Alberta for another sports show when Barnburner and 960 exist.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by hixxes

So Just a Game is done due to lack of audience. Any idea how Barburner is doing in terms of viewership/ listeners?

Totally unsurprising. The only person who loves hearing Robb Kerr drone on emphatically for an hour plus is Robb Kerr.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Barnburner is doing well. They seem to have a ton of sponsors they have added Noodles and Dreger as regular guests in addition to Serivali.

Barnburner brings in roughly 2.5 to 5k viewers weekly on YouTube. If the viewership is similar on Spotify than we can assume it's around 10k views per episode.

I have no clue what that equates to in terms of success or monetary value though (absolutely no knowledge on these platforms).

Flamesnation only has 7k subscribers on YouTube so you have to assume the viewership is good for thier current reach.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by hixxes

So Just a Game is done due to lack of audience. Any idea how Barburner is doing in terms of viewership/ listeners?

Actually quite enjoyed that one. It was nice to hear Peter Maher again and Eric D. Too bad.

[dino7c]

I enjoyed Robs show

[Yeah_Baby]

I didn't catch it as often as I wanted to. Too many other podcasts in my ecosystem but when I did catch Just A Game I loved how inclusive Rob's sign on was, so welcoming. Guess I should have listened more.

[BigT112]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Barnburner is doing well. They seem to have a ton of sponsors they have added Noodles and Dreger as regular guests in addition to Serivali.

I agree. Looking at their Youtube numbers alone, every episode clears at least 1K and it's usually closer to 2k. That's doesn't include people listening to just audio on whatever podcatcher they do. They keep bringing on new sponsors and are starting to do more stuff outside the studio (like watch parties and their trip to Arizona in January). Plus the vibe of their show translates well to Youtube and as the show has gone on it's just gotten better and better. It's a can't miss show at the moment.

I would catch Kerr's show now and then and I think it's unfortunate that it didn't work out but I mostly found it wasn't for me. Lots of the time I found the vibe was very "Angry Man Yells at Clouds" and I felt it was a much more balanced show when he had a co-host or guest for the entire show. Kerr also didn't have a built in audience like the Barn Burner guys did. He was away from 960 for a long time.