[PGT] Flames lose Heritage Classic - Oilers 5 Flames 2

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I heard something about even equipment staff not being fond of Sutter.

The coach issues were pretty widespread around the team. Not just the assistant coaches (including the now HC).

I might take the reincarnation of Caligula over the current coaching staff at this point.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think this is the first time the Flames have ever been as low as 31st in the league this deep into the season.

how long has there been 31 teams for?

[kehatch]

Wish we could go back to the summer where we couldn't all agree that the Flames were crap stew.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Wish we could go back to the summer where we couldn't all agree that the Flames were crap stew.

And last time they won the division half this place thought they were a bottom 5 team in the summer

those in glass houses

[Jiri Hrdina]

This season could be a true fork in the road. We've argued this is an organization that needs to be dragged into a re-build, and dear god that could be happening. A bad start coupled with the player contracts in place, that really will make it hard to do anything to improve the team, could be just want is needed.

Just have a disaster of the season, and get a high 1st, high 2nd and clarity to deal off as many of the UFAs as you can. If the season is as bad as this, Hanifin and Lindholm wont' re-sign no matter what the number. Good.
Then add guys like Tanev, Zadorov to the pending UFA trade table and you've got a massive opportunity.

I don't think I've been someone to ever actually cheer for losses, but I found myself feeling happy about the loss. I don't like it, but that's where we are.

Keep it going.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I might take the reincarnation of Caligula over the current coaching staff at this point.

I'm excited to see where this thought train goes...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Your take is kinda changing...at first you were saying they should have kept him because he wanted to stay and he's lighting it up

Players like Hall were being given away in the summer

Even if its a "bad trade" it was better than signing him. Third round pick is unknown

Hall sucks though and has sucked for awhile. Toffoli is a much better player at 2/3 the salary and signed for one less year. All of which makes him a much more attractive trade quantity.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

how long has there been 31 teams for?

Since 2017?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Now Backlund is a dude I legit feel bad for. Hoodwinked into an extension with the C as the carrot. Clearly was on the fence but signed before he could witness this unmitigated train wreck of a team. Bought into the love and rainbows pre-season show and decided “hey- why not extend?”

10/10 times with the value of foresight of these first few games, this guy is going to free agency. Like… ouch bro. Bummer.

I thought I read that it was mostly a family decision, and also the C was a factor. I’m sure he knew that it was a possibility they were going to suck.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hall sucks though and has sucked for awhile. Toffoli is a much better player at 2/3 the salary and signed for one less year. All of which makes him a much more attractive trade quantity.

Reily Smith is a pretty good player and just won a cup...traded for a 3rd. Market was the market
teams obviously weren't banging down the door for Toffoli either

of all the things to complain about this ain't it IMO

guy said sign me to a long term deal (his ask rumored to be ridiculously long) or trade me

guys that will only stay if they are overpaid on money and term don't actually want to stay


Aydar Suniev looks like a player to me too

[indes]

Had a blast at the game, was definitely a fun event. The flames were ####ing brutal lol. The only thing they hate more than shooting must be winning, so much wasted offensive zone time. I can see why ticket sales are down, watching them play live is brutal without the ability to shut it off. Play like they're just waiting to get scored on, which technically means they found all sorts of success.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Never underestimate the pleasure some get from convincing themselves that they were 'right' and the need to tell everyone all about it.

that's the good #### right there.

What about making a "wall of shame" for anyone that had a negative opinion of anything last season?
That seemed like some good #### too.

I don't blame "negative" people for giving it back a little now that (almost) everyone can see they were right all along.
It's funny to see the same posters who were so gleeful doing wall of shame crap last year now twisting into knots about what's going on with the perfect roster.

[3rd liner]

Mcpowerplay’s post-game interview as thrilling and charismatic as ever. Guy has one tone- monotone.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This season could be a true fork in the road. We've argued this is an organization that needs to be dragged into a re-build, and dear god that could be happening. A bad start coupled with the player contracts in place, that really will make it hard to do anything to improve the team, could be just want is needed.

Just have a disaster of the season, and get a high 1st, high 2nd and clarity to deal off as many of the UFAs as you can. If the season is as bad as this, Hanifin and Lindholm wont' re-sign no matter what the number. Good.
Then add guys like Tanev, Zadorov to the pending UFA trade table and you've got a massive opportunity.

I don't think I've been someone to ever actually cheer for losses, but I found myself feeling happy about the loss. I don't like it, but that's where we are.

Keep it going.

Welcome. Next up…dino7c.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What about making a "wall of shame" for anyone that had a negative opinion of anything last season?
That seemed like some good #### too.

I don't blame "negative" people for giving it back a little now that (almost) everyone can see they were right all along.
It's funny to see the same posters who were so gleeful doing wall of shame crap last year now twisting into knots about what's going on with the perfect roster.

Are you implying that I supported the wall of shame?
I thought it was awful and toxic for the board.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Decent players didn't have much value this past summer, that was an example...there are more. Vegas basically gave away Reily Smith

Toffoli said give me a long term deal or trade me

we can debate the trade but its not really the hill to die on. They are still way better off than if they signed him.

The fact that he is lighting it up IN A CONTRACT YEAR playing with superstar young players isn't really relevant to the Flames at all. It maybe wasn't the perfect outcome but signing him would have been a thousand times worse.

If the third round pick that the Knights got for player who averaged 52 points per 82 games over the past 3 years and a player who is signed for two years at 5 million is nothing what is a third AND Yegor for a player who averaged 65 points per 82 games over the past 3 years and is only signed for 4.25 million?

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718821461941715340

This isn’t a good team and they won’t turn it around

Dear Lord, if that is what Backlund actually said, we are in trouble. This is a horrible team, with a not great coach and and a rookie GM. The only reason they even had a slight chance at the playoffs last year was because they had a hall of fame coach coaching them. They got rid of him and this is the result.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Are you implying that I supported the wall of shame?
I thought it was awful and toxic for the board.

No, not at all.
Was just commenting that it gave people that similar feeling of glee as the I told you so's are getting now and hopped off from your post to make that note. Wasn't implying it was you.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Welcome. Next up…dino7c.

Not sure why you are grouping me with him. I don't mind Dino. He can do what he wants, but I've never been someone to shy away from being critical of the team.
I've been pro re-build for years, but have recognized the team wasn't going to do it unless dragged into it.
I've called this franchise one of the worst run in the entire NHL.
i was pro BT yes, which I guess is the unforgivable sin for some around here.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the third round pick that the Knights got for player who averaged 52 points per 82 games over the past 3 years and a player who is signed for two years at 5 million what is a third AND Yegor for a player who averaged 65 points per 82 games over the past 3 years and is only signed for 4.25 million?

what the hell are you talking about??

market was soft...guy wanted a retirement contract or a trade

trade certainly wasn't the worst option

Aydar Suniev looks like a fun prospect too

Of all the things to complain about Toffoli ain't it