[Signing] Flames sign Kadri (7 years, $7m AAV)

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Disagree with these ‘their fate is sealed’ type comments.

One could have said the similar things about the Bruins 2015 draft. Remember how badly the Sabres were fleeced in the Ryan O’Rielly trade?

Saying the Flames can’t bounce back from this is something you don’t know.

Flames spent a 1st and are locked into a 33 year old Nazem Kadri for 5 seasons beyond this current one, so while Boston pooched a draft, they didn't lock in to a terrible contract and...and the Sabres weren't fleeced in the O'Rielly trade? The Sabres got Tage Thompson, a 1st, a 2nd, and effectively two cap dumps.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Flames spent a 1st and are locked into a 33 year old Nazem Kadri for 5 seasons beyond this current one, so while Boston pooched a draft, they didn't lock in to a terrible contract and...and the Sabres weren't fleeced in the O'Rielly trade? The Sabres got Tage Thompson, a 1st, a 2nd, and effectively two cap dumps.

Exactly my point. The Sabres weren’t fleeced but if you go back in time that trade was considered brutal for the Sabres for the following 2-3 years. There were a lot of angry Flames fans on this forum criticizing Treliving for not out bidding the Blues.

Again these ‘their fate is sealed’ comments don’t always age so well. Same could be said for the Dallas Stars and the contracts they handed out to Seguin and Benn.

Less than two seasons ago Erik Karlson and Jeff Skinner were two the worst contracts in the league.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The signed low contracts because they were UFA's without much demand.

And? Calgary couldn't have got either of those deals even if they wanted to...even after the fact they developed both players and paid them 90% of their career earnings

just the reality

Calgary couldn't have gotten Lucic for 1M either

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

so tired of hearing how hard he worked, you work that hard to hamstring the team for the next decade, impressive. Hope he drags the leafs down like he did the Flames

sad thing is any success the Leafs have will be on the backs of Matthews, Marner ect. Like he had anything to do with those guys

Wonder what his plan for Nylander is?

[Erick Estrada]

There were plenty of us that wanted Treliving fired before he ended up running the organization into the ground. He will either win a cup in Toronto or run them into the ground trying. He’s a reckless GM.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Exactly my point. The Sabres weren’t fleeced but if you go back in time that trade was considered brutal for the Sabres for the following 2-3 years. There were a lot of angry Flames fans on this forum criticizing Treliving for not out bidding the Blues.

Again these ‘their fate is sealed’ comments don’t always age so well. Same could be said for the Dallas Stars and the contracts they handed out to Seguin and Benn.

Less than two seasons ago Erik Karlson and Jeff Skinner were two the worst contracts in the league.

Just because Flames fans thought we should have outbid St Louis doesn't make the trade brutal. O'Reilly is a 50-60 pts guy. Nothing brutal about acquiring two 1sts and a 2nd.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There were plenty of us that wanted Treliving fired before he ended up running the organization into the ground. He will either win a cup in Toronto or run them into the ground trying. He’s a reckless GM.

some posters would want jesus fired from heaven though
Christ people are questioning Conroy already lol

TO is a much easier market than Calgary to be fair to Brad but obviously he know he was on the way out when he made the risky moves...at our expense. Doesn't even seem fair but that's life.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Just because Flames fans thought we should have outbid St Louis doesn't make the trade brutal. O'Reilly is a 50-60 pts guy. Nothing brutal about acquiring two 1sts and a 2nd.

TOfan is right. The trade was seen as terrible for the Sabres; Berglund picked up his ball and went home, Thompson was underwhelming, and Sobotka was terrible.


O'Reilly was, at the time, considered one of the best, if not the best, two-way centers in the game, and he promptly helped St Louis win a Cup and was named MVP - so that 1st round pick became 31st overall.


Tage Thompson has 12 points in 65 games in his first season in Buffalo. By the time he broke out, a lot of people were already considering him a bust.

[dino7c]

are we talking about shrewd Buffalo and their 12 year (and counting) rebuild again lol
if we could only be so lucky

playoffs in 2035 or bust for the Flames

[dino7c]

Kadri and Huberdeau were 100 point players when the Flames acquired them

there is more to it than they just both forgot how to play hockey. Systems, linemates, IDK
both were debatable transactions but it shouldn't be going this bad.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri and Huberdeau were 100 point players when the Flames acquired them

there is more to it than they just both forgot how to play hockey. Systems, linemates, IDK
both were debatable transactions but it shouldn't be going this bad.

Kadri had one season where he produced at that level, in a contract season no less. Given his age at the time of the contract, this was entirely foreseeable. We all just hoped it wouldn't go this sour this quickly, but that seems to have been a fools hope.

Huberdeau's collapse...yeah, that's system and coach related. The thing that baffles me is we knew that Huberdeau couldn't produce in last year's system - and then we fired that head coach only to replace that head coach with a guy who coaches the exact same way. That's just bizarre to me.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Kadri had one season where he produced at that level, in a contract season no less. Given his age at the time of the contract, this was entirely foreseeable. We all just hoped it wouldn't go this sour this quickly, but that seems to have been a fools hope.

Huberdeau's collapse...yeah, that's system and coach related. The thing that baffles me is we knew that Huberdeau couldn't produce in last year's system - and then we fired that head coach only to replace that head coach with a guy who coaches the exact same way. That's just bizarre to me.

Kadri is not being paid like a 100 point player who scored playoff hat tricks and cup final OT winners though. His decline seemed priced in as far as UFAs go. Especially for the first few season which is par for the course on UFAs.

60 point center, good D, hard nosed, good in the playoffs...is a 7M player easy especially as a UFA with Calgary tax

again there is no way it should be going this bad and everyone that leaves (except Gaudreau) is either as good or better. Like do you have any doubts that if Kadri or Huberdeau went somewhere at 50% retained we would have a very different thread being bumped often as they rack up the points.

I refuse to believe they both dropped this drastically over a few months, its pretty hard to put up points on a team that nobody can score. Its just not the right mix or something...these guys are players. If Kadri when to Montreal and Monahan came back I bet their stats would swap.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There were plenty of us that wanted Treliving fired before he ended up running the organization into the ground. He will either win a cup in Toronto or run them into the ground trying. He’s a reckless GM.

True. Thing is, when he was first here some posters were calling for GMs to take a chance and push the chips in. And mocked Edmonton for talking about “bold moves”.

[Strange Brew]

Six posts from one person on the same page, always the same old tired talking points.

Everyone knew Kadri was an overpay, I suspect even the guy that signed him. It’s not the $ amount, it’s the term.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Six posts from one person on the same page, always the same old tired talking points.

Everyone knew Kadri was an overpay, I suspect even the guy that signed him. It’s not the $ amount, it’s the term.

comix and I are going back and forth having a discussion...exactly what the site is for

don't like it? click another thread or move on

and no poop on the term...it shouldn't be this bad though. I guarantee if they eat half and move him or buy him out he will be a decent NHLer elsewhere

Nearly every UFA deal is an overpay since it doesn't cost you any assets to acquire the player

I didn't realize you were the post count police. Truth is I'm having some health issues right now and can't do much else so maybe I am over posting but it's something to do

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There were plenty of us that wanted Treliving fired before he ended up running the organization into the ground. He will either win a cup in Toronto or run them into the ground trying. He’s a reckless GM.

I think he will do well in Toronto. He was given an elite core and didn't have to mop up after a terrible GM.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri and Huberdeau were 100 point players when the Flames acquired them

there is more to it than they just both forgot how to play hockey. Systems, linemates, IDK
both were debatable transactions but it shouldn't be going this bad.

Yes, it should.

Kadri is and always has been a secondary player. He had a great year on a PP with MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

Huberdeau has nothing to work with. He giftwraps goals to guys and they flub his passes or fan on their shots.

More to the point, hockey teams achieve success when they grow up together and play together.

None of this teams best players have any track record of success with each other, and their ceilings are limited.

The results are what they are - this is a bad team and they’re going to finish bottom 10.

Thank Christ.

[FlamesAddiction]

A UFA that can get 50-60 points for a cap hit of $7 million is fair value. I don't think Treliving or most other people expected him to be a 100 point player, or even a PPG player.

He has to start picking it up though. It's not looking good this year so far, although I don't think he is the biggest issue right now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yes, it should.

Kadri is and always has been a secondary player. He had a great year on a PP with MacKinnon, Rantanen, and Makar.

Huberdeau has nothing to work with. He giftwraps goals to guys and they flub his passes or fan on their shots.

More to the point, hockey teams achieve success when they grow up together and play together.

None of this teams best players have any track record of success with each other, and their ceilings are limited.

The results are what they are - this is a bad team and they’re going to finish bottom 10.

Thank Christ.

You obviously didn't watch him in Colorado if you think that is the case. I always love how Huberdeau and Kadri were carried by guys they outscored and didn't play with.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Ped

TOfan is right. The trade was seen as terrible for the Sabres; Berglund picked up his ball and went home, Thompson was underwhelming, and Sobotka was terrible.


O'Reilly was, at the time, considered one of the best, if not the best, two-way centers in the game, and he promptly helped St Louis win a Cup and was named MVP - so that 1st round pick became 31st overall.


Tage Thompson has 12 points in 65 games in his first season in Buffalo. By the time he broke out, a lot of people were already considering him a bust.

O'Reilly was seen as an underachiever and a guy you couldn't win with. He was seen as far differently than the player that helped St Louis win the Cup. His reputation changed AFTER the trade. And no one saw the Blues winning the Cup, so the fact the pick was late is kind of irrelevant. They missed the playoffs the year before. They got 1st round pick, a former 1st round pick prospect, and a 2nd. That is fair value for what O'Reilly was at the time.