10-27-2023, 02:04 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by Spurs
My question is does Murray Edwards let you rebuild if he is paying Hubredeau 10.5m and Kadri 7m a season?
Them being here seems to give the team and some fans the illusion that we can compete if we just get the right line mates and give it time.
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I honestly don't think they will have a choice especially if all the UFAs want out. No good UFAs will sign here. They won't get a better center than Lindholm in a trade. It is basically hope and wish that Hubderdeau and Kadri turn it around.
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10-27-2023, 02:06 PM
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#62
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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If they traded a first to get rid of Huberdeau or Kadri, they'd just give another stupid contract out with the ew space and the be stuck with that and no pick.
Ride it out, trade everyone with value around them (Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund, Tanev, Mangiapane...), and maybe Huberdeau and/or Kadri would want to leave. So essentially, rebuild but not around them, more "beside them" waive them or offer to terminate their contract so they an sign somewhere else.
Cap space is only valuable if you use it right. You need picks to draft good players you can build around. Those are they players you pay, not older UFA'S.
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10-27-2023, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blankall
Does he have a choice if Huberdeau and Kadri are occupying such a huge portion of the cap and are horrible? A couple of complimentary players aren't going to do a thing, if the main pieces are this bad.
Keeping Kadri and Huberdeau might actually be the only way to get a "Rebuild". If Edwards has cap space, he's likely to demand that the team pay for other UFAs, that are actually good, and the team might end up mediocre again.
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We already re-signed Backlund, have been talking with Lindholm and Hanifin about extensions. I think there is a big difference between having those 3 and maybe others signed versus dealing them and building with the piece we get.
Even if we don't sign them but also don't trade them trying to get 8th could have a big impact on the pieces we have going forward.
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10-27-2023, 02:10 PM
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I don't know what it does to the fandom, but staple Huby and Kadri to the first line, first PP and PK as applicable and let them earn their contracts.
The rebuild has started whether Edwards wanted it or not.
Sell off the other assets on expiring contracts for max value and fill out the roster with kids.
Last edited by Badgers Nose; 10-27-2023 at 02:13 PM.
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10-27-2023, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by butterfly
If all it takes is a 1st round pick to move one of these, do it. You can easily take someone else’s Loui Eriksson and Jay Beagle for a year to get a top 10 pick back.
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You just traded Huberdeau ad Kadri for Loui Eriksson and Jay Beagle (with offsetting picks in and out).
How about we just remain patient, and deal with them in a few years
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10-27-2023, 02:27 PM
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#66
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Spurs
We already re-signed Backlund, have been talking with Lindholm and Hanifin about extensions. I think there is a big difference between having those 3 and maybe others signed versus dealing them and building with the piece we get.
Even if we don't sign them but also don't trade them trying to get 8th could have a big impact on the pieces we have going forward.
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If the Flames don't turn it around, Lindholm and/or Hanifin could walk or further handicap the team by demanding too much money. Whoever they get replaced with will likely be worse, adding to the "tank". If the team throws a ridiculous amount of money at Lindholm, for example, you end up with almost $30 million tied up in Huberdeau, Kadri, and Lindholm. Also, not a winning formula.
The worst case scenario would be Kadri and Huberdeau being good enough to drag the Flames into a bubble position.
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10-27-2023, 02:30 PM
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Even if they commited to a retool, things aren't that bad.
What are you getting in picks and prospects for Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev all 50% retained? If you had a 2nd team retain another 50% too for a 4th, you are likley to get 1sts and 2nds no question for all 3. Tanev 50% retained twice at the deadline is worth a late 1st from a team trying to win a cup. The other 2 would be worth much more.
Key as always though, GET 1 OF THE TOP 3 PICKS IN THIS DRAFT!
1st overall itself is worth more than Hanifin and Lindholm in a trade. It's a game changer, your options change quickly with just 1 superstar.
You likely have to be patient even next summer as not all top picks are stars, but you have tons to work with if you have $20 mil cap space, an elite prospect, a bunch of NHL ready prospects.
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10-27-2023, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blankall
If the Flames don't turn it around, Lindholm and/or Hanifin could walk or further handicap the team by demanding too much money. Whoever they get replaced with will likely be worse, adding to the "tank". If the team throws a ridiculous amount of money at Lindholm, for example, you end up with almost $30 million tied up in Huberdeau, Kadri, and Lindholm. Also, not a winning formula.
The worst case scenario would be Kadri and Huberdeau being good enough to drag the Flames into a bubble position.
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If you trade Lindholm and Hanifin and then Huberdeau and Kadri drag you into a bubble position, would they not have to play a ton better? Is that not good?
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10-27-2023, 02:32 PM
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#69
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Originally Posted by blankall
If the Flames don't turn it around, Lindholm and/or Hanifin could walk or further handicap the team by demanding too much money. Whoever they get replaced with will likely be worse, adding to the "tank". If the team throws a ridiculous amount of money at Lindholm, for example, you end up with almost $30 million tied up in Huberdeau, Kadri, and Lindholm. Also, not a winning formula.
The worst case scenario would be Kadri and Huberdeau being good enough to drag the Flames into a bubble position.
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Hey, if a miracle happens and Huby and Kadri manage to drag the Flames into the post season, why would I mind that?
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10-27-2023, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
Even if they commited to a retool, things aren't that bad.
What are you getting in picks and prospects for Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev all 50% retained? If you had a 2nd team retain another 50% too for a 4th, you are likley to get 1sts and 2nds no question for all 3. Tanev 50% retained twice at the deadline is worth a late 1st from a team trying to win a cup. The other 2 would be worth much more.
Key as always though, GET 1 OF THE TOP 3 PICKS IN THIS DRAFT!
1st overall itself is worth more than Hanifin and Lindholm in a trade. It's a game changer, your options change quickly with just 1 superstar.
You likely have to be patient even next summer as not all top picks are stars, but you have tons to work with if you have $20 mil cap space, an elite prospect, a bunch of NHL ready prospects.
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No one is giving you a top ten pick for those guys - and the only teams that need them with money retained are contenders, whose picks are way later in the 1st round.
Best bet in dealing our expiring guys is get a single good prospect developed in a winning culture, and maybe a later round draft pick, for each of them.
Then maybe we'll have a great team in 4-5 years.
Last edited by Badgers Nose; 10-27-2023 at 02:38 PM.
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10-27-2023, 02:35 PM
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Neal for Lucic 2: Nurse for Huberdeau
Who says why the f*** not?
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10-27-2023, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
No one is giving you a top ten pick for those guys - and the only teams that need them with money retained are contenders, whose picks are way later in the 1st round.
Best bet in dealing our expiring guys is get a single good prospect developed in a winning culture, and maybe a later round draft pick, for each of them.
Then maybe we'll have a great team in 4-5 years.
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#1 CGY 24 will be a top 3 pick if you trade Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin.
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10-27-2023, 02:40 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage
Neal for Lucic 2: Nurse for Huberdeau
Who says why the f*** not?
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Huberdeau says no. So do I for that matter. F Nurse - don't want him near this team. At least Huberdeau's a good guy.
It would be Neal for Lucic exept we'd get Neal.
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10-27-2023, 02:41 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage
Neal for Lucic 2: Nurse for Huberdeau
Who says why the f*** not?
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Huberdeau would get 115 points on the Oilers, he would fit their chaotic system perfectly. No thanks.
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10-27-2023, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
#1 CGY 24 will be a top 3 pick if you trade Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin.
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Plus the prospects and picks from the trades - do it Connie!
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10-27-2023, 02:43 PM
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Okay. There's a plus! We'd rather have Huberdeau than Nurse.
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10-27-2023, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Huberdeau would get 115 points on the Oilers, he would fit their chaotic system perfectly. No thanks.
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115 points and a 2nd round loss in 4 games.
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10-27-2023, 02:43 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Huberdeau would get 115 points on the Oilers, he would fit their chaotic system perfectly. No thanks.
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They keep calling Draisaitl the best passer in the league - can you imagine Huberdeau passing to McDavid?
I'm not sure he's a perfect fit because he's a cycler and slower play developer. But he'd get points.
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10-27-2023, 02:44 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
If you trade Lindholm and Hanifin and then Huberdeau and Kadri drag you into a bubble position, would they not have to play a ton better? Is that not good?
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I was referring more to the scenario where the Flames are in and out of the playoffs for the next 6 years and get bumped early every time they do make it.
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10-27-2023, 02:45 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Thing the Flames really need to do, is to add "skill" to their lineup.
Of course the CAP is an issue.
This is the biggest issue, lineup doesn't have very many talented offensive forwards
Move Kadri or Huberdeau to an offensive minded team, they will produce.
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