Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Wormius

What a bizarre conclusion and statement.

Why do you hate/feel threatened by educated and successful people who think critically about issues?

Doesn’t Muta work at city hall? Hardly threatening.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yoho

As opposed to the liberal “Jesus I’ve stolen the wheel.”

Ozy - seems like you've struck a chord with Yoho. Aside from Yoho's post making absolutely no sense, it really is some vintage Yoho 'whataboutism'.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Doesn’t Muta work at city hall? Hardly threatening.

I work at City Hall? News to me. That would be a nice pension though. Sorry junior, I'm in the private business sector.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Muta

I work at City Hall? News to me. That would be a nice pension though. Sorry junior, I'm in the private business sector.

My mistake I thought you said you commuted from your condo to city hall.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yoho

My mistake I thought you said you commuted from your condo to city hall.

Can you provide a source on that?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Muta

Ozy - seems like you've struck a chord with Yoho. Aside from Yoho's post making absolutely no sense, it really is some vintage Yoho 'whataboutism'.

Ever seen The Last of Us? Yoho is like part of the cordyceps infection. When a conservative is slammed, he feels the vibrations in his mushroom head.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Yoho

My mistake I thought you said you commuted from your condo to city hall.

There, is it really so hard to admit when you've made a mistake?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

There, is it really so hard to admit when you've made a mistake?

The best part is when he said I have no voice in this province, and then accused me of working at City Hall - a place that greatly participates in political decisions.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Muta

Can you provide a source on that?

This is the first thing I could find on the condo part, I’ll take a look for where the city hall thing is but as I say I may have been mistaken.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1181

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by belsarius

This is the crux of the point that the mainstream doesn't get. Us people with the belief we need to decarbonize fast aren't under the impression that we can maintain the standard of living. Capitalism is unsustainable because it relys on infinite growth with finite resources.

We NEED to decarbonize. Every year we delay makes it worse on the planet. And yes that means we need to get over personal car ownership. We need to get over unlimited power and focuses on wattage as much as we focus on calories.

The serious discussion, is what are we willing to give up today in order to preserve a tomorrow for our children. Cons love to point to the spending of left wing governments and cry about the debt load on the children. Well I love to point to the fact that if we don't change very quickly, the debt load will be the least of the future generations worries.

And yes, I have a car, and a phone and I use them. I have no choice. What I like about pushing these short timelines is that it is going to force behavioural changes, and we won't like it. The western world today needs a heavy dose of medicine we don't like. And while the left is trying to shove it down our throats, the right just wants to plug their ears and say we can maintain what we have, just don't worry about it.

We cannot sustain our lifestyles right now, and we need to make hard choices. But it is much easier to listen to someone tell me how we don't need to change than someone telling me I do. Even when all of the evidence available says that if we don't, we are going to be in serious trouble in only a couple more generations.

This is the epitome of the naivety and delusional thinking that I'm talking about. There is zero evidence that we can't sustain our standard of living, become more energy efficient, and mitigate the impacts of climate change while allowing people in developing nations improve their standard of living. I'd encourage you to read some of Alex Epstein's work which delves into these issues.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by belsarius

This is the crux of the point that the mainstream doesn't get. Us people with the belief we need to decarbonize fast aren't under the impression that we can maintain the standard of living. Capitalism is unsustainable because it relys on infinite growth with finite resources.

We NEED to decarbonize. Every year we delay makes it worse on the planet. And yes that means we need to get over personal car ownership. We need to get over unlimited power and focuses on wattage as much as we focus on calories.

The serious discussion, is what are we willing to give up today in order to preserve a tomorrow for our children. Cons love to point to the spending of left wing governments and cry about the debt load on the children. Well I love to point to the fact that if we don't change very quickly, the debt load will be the least of the future generations worries.

And yes, I have a car, and a phone and I use them. I have no choice. What I like about pushing these short timelines is that it is going to force behavioural changes, and we won't like it. The western world today needs a heavy dose of medicine we don't like. And while the left is trying to shove it down our throats, the right just wants to plug their ears and say we can maintain what we have, just don't worry about it.

We cannot sustain our lifestyles right now, and we need to make hard choices. But it is much easier to listen to someone tell me how we don't need to change than someone telling me I do. Even when all of the evidence available says that if we don't, we are going to be in serious trouble in only a couple more generations.

Further to this, there is so much about our current 'standard of living' that is actually counterproductive and mostly serves to make us unhappy.

I'd love to "own nothing very little and be happy" - ideally within a 15 minute city! Of course you need more than a few brain cells to rub together to really unpack this notion.

[Faust]

Alberta government ousts Banff Centre board, taps administrator to review arts facility:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ator-1.7010519

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Zarley

This is the epitome of the naivety and delusional thinking that I'm talking about. There is zero evidence that we can't sustain our standard of living, become more energy efficient, and mitigate the impacts of climate change while allowing people in developing nations improve their standard of living. I'd encourage you to read some of Alex Epstein's work which delves into these issues.

Hrmm, who's this other Epstein guy?

Alexander Joseph Epstein is an American author and climate change denier who advocates for the expansion of fossil fuels. He is the founder and president of the Center for Industrial Progress, a for-profit think tank.

He is a former adjunct scholar at Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, and a former fellow at the Ayn Rand Institute.[7][8] He rejects the scientific consensus on climate change, which is that climate change is dangerous, progressing, and human caused,[5][2][9][10] although he objects to being labeled as a climate change denier.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_E...merican_writer)


Solid pass from me, bro.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Maccalus

Most of the delays are regulatory framework related though, something that having creative governments who work together can improve. The federal government wants Alberta to decarbonize the grid, nuclear is a viable way to do that. Work together and get things done. Nuclear is only one option that that can and should be explored.

The global average is well below 15 years for nuclear plant construction.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rs-since-1981/

Nuclear should absolutely take less than 15 years, and having a reasonable regulatory framework operated by competent governments with a decisive and timely legal system would definitely help with that. Unfortunately that isn't the situation we are in here in Canada (see: pipelines).

I think new nuclear plants at the locations where we used to have coal plants makes a lot of sense for Alberta. It has the potential to provide the low cost base load generation we need to supplement the intermittent renewables.

[Harry Lime]

I don't like how both sides of the environmental debate speak only in extremes and absolutes.

Canada's best option towards climate change is to pour money and resources into research, and then making that research free to the world.

They can pay for this through natural gas and oil sales, while there is still a market.

Canada just doesn't have a big enough footprint environmentally to make a dent in global emissions. There is no point in doing self harm to our country and not being rich enough to fund research to fix the problem on a bigger scale.

You can have it all.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Doesn’t Muta work at city hall? Hardly threatening.

It's pronounced Silly Hall to you.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Faust

Alberta government ousts Banff Centre board, taps administrator to review arts facility:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ator-1.7010519

I like how they chose someone recently fined by the securities commission for a violation to replace the board.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by belsarius

This is the crux of the point that the mainstream doesn't get. Us people with the belief we need to decarbonize fast aren't under the impression that we can maintain the standard of living. Capitalism is unsustainable because it relys on infinite growth with finite resources.

We NEED to decarbonize. Every year we delay makes it worse on the planet. And yes that means we need to get over personal car ownership. We need to get over unlimited power and focuses on wattage as much as we focus on calories.

The serious discussion, is what are we willing to give up today in order to preserve a tomorrow for our children. Cons love to point to the spending of left wing governments and cry about the debt load on the children. Well I love to point to the fact that if we don't change very quickly, the debt load will be the least of the future generations worries.

And yes, I have a car, and a phone and I use them. I have no choice. What I like about pushing these short timelines is that it is going to force behavioural changes, and we won't like it. The western world today needs a heavy dose of medicine we don't like. And while the left is trying to shove it down our throats, the right just wants to plug their ears and say we can maintain what we have, just don't worry about it.

We cannot sustain our lifestyles right now, and we need to make hard choices. But it is much easier to listen to someone tell me how we don't need to change than someone telling me I do. Even when all of the evidence available says that if we don't, we are going to be in serious trouble in only a couple more generations.

Do you think governments will be able to get popular support in democracies for substantial, widespread, enduring reductions in our standards of living?

Take food. Given their essential role in everything from fertilizers to production to distribution, a rapid shift away from fossil fuels will increase food prices across the board. Substantially.

Given the public uproar over the food inflation of the last couple years, how readily do you think voters will accommodate themselves to more severe and enduring increases in grocery bills downstream of carbon pricing measures?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Do you think governments will be able to get popular support in democracies for substantial, widespread, enduring reductions in our standards of living?

Take food. Given their essential role in everything from fertilizers to production to distribution, the shift away from fossil fuels will increase food prices across the board. Substantially.

Given the public uproar over the food inflation of the last couple years, how readily do you think voters will accommodate themselves to more severe and enduring increases in grocery bills downstream of carbon pricing measures?

Not at all. Once it looked like the Liberals were going to lose seats in Atlantic Canada heating your home with fuel oil was fine again.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Muta

The best part is when he said I have no voice in this province, and then accused me of working at City Hall - a place that greatly participates in political decisions.

“By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

— Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt by Umberto Eco