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Flames Fan, Ph.D. · 10-26-2023, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Talking about intention.

The Flames believed they were a good team that was playoff bound. That level of incorrect assessment is not a good indicator.

There seems to be a "oh you guys wanted a rebuild and now you're complaining because we lost" - this team actively, openly said they were not rebuilding. What we're seeing now is incompetence, not forward thinking.

I guess I’m too cynical.

Of course they’re going to say they’re not rebuilding. Businesses don’t project messages like ‘yes we’ll purposefully offer a poor product next year please pay money to see it’

I’m a bit surprised at how literally people are taking all of their messages.

dissentowner · 10-26-2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I guess I’m too cynical.

Of course they’re going to say they’re not rebuilding. Businesses don’t project messages like ‘yes we’ll purposefully offer a poor product next year please pay money to see it’

I’m a bit surprised at how literally people are taking all of their messages.

Didn't the NYR literally do this a few years back?

Vinny01 · 10-26-2023, 10:33 PM

This is the most unlikable Flames team that I have followed. Hopefully this losing streak has every UFA as well as management putting extension talks on pause. I feel bad for the people that paid money to watch that game tonight.

ComixZone · 10-26-2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I guess I’m too cynical.

Of course they’re going to say they’re not rebuilding. Businesses don’t project messages like ‘yes we’ll purposefully offer a poor product next year please pay money to see it’

I’m a bit surprised at how literally people are taking all of their messages.

It was Bean's press conference man.

John Bean made us look like the Kevin Lowe Oilers.

The Flames also extending Backlund, moving to extend Lindholm and Hanifin...that's not a team that seems to be moving in the direction of rebuilding. That seems to be a team that has horribly mis-assessed itself.

taxbuster · 10-26-2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I guess I’m too cynical.

Of course they’re going to say they’re not rebuilding. Businesses don’t project messages like ‘yes we’ll purposefully offer a poor product next year please pay money to see it’

I’m a bit surprised at how literally people are taking all of their messages.

Bean was pretty clear: "We don't use the R-word."

Jason14h · 10-26-2023, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I guess I’m too cynical.

Of course they’re going to say they’re not rebuilding. Businesses don’t project messages like ‘yes we’ll purposefully offer a poor product next year please pay money to see it’

I’m a bit surprised at how literally people are taking all of their messages.

This is what many teams have done . Told the fans they are rebuilding , explained the reasoning and plan , and asked for support

Manhattanboy · 10-26-2023, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by taxbuster

Bean was pretty clear: "We don't use the R-word."

Bean is a terrible CEO. No people skills whatsoever.

FlamesAddiction · 10-26-2023, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Wait what?!?!

Nevermind, it's next year's according to Bond. My bad.

Inferno · 10-26-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the most unlikable Flames team that I have followed.

I didn't think I could dislike the team more than I did last year but they're proving me wrong.

butterfly · 10-26-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Apparently there is a chance that our 1st this season goes to Montreal. Even if it's a small chance, it will probably happen. Whatever can go wrong, goes wrong with this team lately.

If so, great. They can only choose to claim it if it's pick number 20-32, which means we made the playoffs and then have 3 first rounders in the next 2 years.

SuperMatt18 · 10-26-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Thank you.

Honestly parts of this fan base deserves the #### on ice product we've received these past two seasons.

Going back to the 21-22 season certain "fans" of this team have been hoping for this team to suck, more than hoping they win, because then they'd "be right" and get to flaunt it like some badge of honor and it's freaking embarrassing.

Do I wish the Flames would commit to an actual rebuild? 100% but I don't pay the bills like Murray Edwards does.

Do I wish this team still had Tkachuk and Gaudreau? 100%, but those pricks decided they didn't want to be here and can now screw off. I hope they never have success on their new teams, and never win a cup.

Do I wish we didn't have $17.5M combined allocated to Kadri and Huberdeau? 100%, but we do, so for as long as they are wearing the Flaming C im going to hope that they play well because that's the best chance we have at either winning with them, or being able to trade them.

I'm a fan of the team. Not certain players, not certain coaches, a fan of the team. And I will cheer for the team to have success even if it means I'm wrong about certain things or certain players.

We can make fun of Oilers fans all we want but at least they actually cheer for their team and want them to win.

This fan base cheering for certain players to fail, or for the team to fall flat on their face is embarassing. Cheer for the team, don't cheer to be "right"

Flames Fan, Ph.D. · 10-26-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Didn't the NYR literally do this a few years back?

Yes. 1 team did it once.

Manhattanboy · 10-26-2023, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Nevermind, it's next year's according to Bond. My bad.

I didn’t know about that either, we have a first at risk next year?

Infinit47 · 10-26-2023, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Bean is a terrible CEO. No people skills whatsoever.

It's funny how upset the fans are. I'm fairly certain Murray Edwards could't care less about winning. He got his billion from the taxpayers and the value of his team will go up drastically.

I'm sure he is quite happy right now.

I_H8_Crawford · 10-26-2023, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Bean is a terrible CEO. No people skills whatsoever.

Bean sounded like another r-word that we don’t use.

Saqe · 10-26-2023, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

But they still wouldn't be very good, and that's the thing. Better to bottom out and pick high

Yeah but that's just by accident if they bottom out. The current management actually though they would be better, so I'm not sure what you're saying is much of a positive lol.

Vinny01 · 10-26-2023, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

It was Bean's press conference man.

John Bean made us look like the Kevin Lowe Oilers.

The Flames also extending Backlund, moving to extend Lindholm and Hanifin...that's not a team that seems to be moving in the direction of rebuilding. That seems to be a team that has horribly mis-assessed itself.

I think it is a management group that felt the coach was the biggest problem and that they would see significant bounce backs from everyone who sucked last year most notably Huberdeau, Markstrom, Mangiapane, and Kadri.

If this performance continues Sutter will be somewhat vindicated as he got the most out of that group that anyone possibly could have and an average coach along with this below average aging roster will be a bottom third team most likely.

SuperMatt18 · 10-26-2023, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

Yeah but that's just by accident if they bottom out. The current management actually though they would be better, so I'm not sure what you're saying is much of a positive lol.

No team ever really bottoms out on purpose (the first year or two). Once they've already bottomed out then they commit to a rebuild but they rarely ever start the "rebuild" intentionally.

The Lightning had re-signed Lecavalier, St Louis, and Boyle when they bottomed out for Hedman and Stamkos. They were a cap team that bottomed out and got lucky.

The Oilers didn't intentionally bottom out for all their picks, and were certainly trying to win by the time they got McDavid.

What these teams do however is don't try to make panic moves to salvage bad seasons. When you're in the middle of a bad season then just lean into it and get the high pick.

It's what the Flames should have done in the 20-21 season instead of hiring Sutter mid-season and it's what they should probably do this season if this play continues.

Barnet Flame · 10-26-2023, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's pretty clear they're missing Sutter's leadership skills. They might not have liked him, but they are absolutely embarrassing without him.

I thought they were embarrassing with him.

I don’t know what this is.

dino7c · 10-26-2023, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Didn't the NYR literally do this a few years back?

After they tried to win and sucked