Canmore population to double? Legal battle?

[blankall]

Can we also add that the people of Canmore dug their own graves here. Did they sell their properties, at far under market value, to working class families that had similar incomes to people like themselves when they were starting out? No. Sold it for lots of cash to a developer or a rich vacationer, instead?

[Timbo]

I’m not sure Canmore has the infrastructure to handle the enormity of Sliver. Maybe wait 20 years and give that community a chance.

[fotze2]

I never really noticed anti-visitor in Canmore but Fernie on the other hand…

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

Can we also add that the people of Canmore dug their own graves here. Did they sell their properties, at far under market value, to working class families that had similar incomes to people like themselves when they were starting out? No. Sold it for lots of cash to a developer or a rich vacationer, instead?

As far as weak arguments go in this thread, that one has to take the cake.


Who? The people still living there, in the houses they have always been in? Should they sell for way under market value...and then? Live in a ####ing van down by the river? Residents have been fighting for affordable housing for new residents for years. Remember, many residents are business owners in the valley, and are well aware of the plight of workers finding homes that are affordable. Just a silly point, man.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

As far as weak arguments go in this thread, that one has to take the cake.


Who? The people still living there, in the houses they have always been in? Should they sell for way under market value...and then? Live in a ####ing van down by the river? Residents have been fighting for affordable housing for new residents for years. Remember, many residents are business owners in the valley, and are well aware of the plight of workers finding homes that are affordable. Just a silly point, man.

The empty nesters still there could sell their homes to working class families, at far under market value. I don't actually expect that to happen. But that is the way to preserve the community.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Not sure there is a solution for Canmore (assuming no one here can turn back time). I for one aspire to buy a place there. I still think it has a lot to offer, notwithstanding the growth and expense.

Not building does not seem like a solution to anything though. To Sliver's "build another town" solution, is there any chance Dead Man's Flats or Lac des Arc gets built up into a legit town?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I never really noticed anti-visitor in Canmore but Fernie on the other hand…

Well this is the same argument for every tourist town. There’s a fly fishing town in Montana and it’s basically the exact same. During the summer (fishing season), they love the tourists because there’s nothing else there. In the winter, they literally hate them and they’re the worst thing that’s ever happened.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Leondros

To your point though, it was bleak for years after the mine closed and only when it became a tourist destination did the economy pick up. Its weird, this sounds similar to Bowen island. "Welcome to Bowen Island — don't forget to leave"

The funny thing is that Bowen residents actually hated that campaign, which was the product of a marketing firm from... Toronto, obviously (well, their office in Vancouver probably came up with it).

Bowen's all for tourists, they absolutely want every one of those dollars, and there's been an enormous amount of townhome and condo development there for rich people from the mainland who don't live there full time. It certainly has made it far more expensive and difficult for locals to live there or build new homes there in the past 10 years or so, but that's the story literally everywhere in the GVRD so not really a story you can tell outside of that context.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Not sure there is a solution for Canmore (assuming no one here can turn back time). I for one aspire to buy a place there. I still think it has a lot to offer, notwithstanding the growth and expense.

Not building does not seem like a solution to anything though. To Sliver's "build another town" solution, is there any chance Dead Man's Flats or Lac des Arc gets built up into a legit town?

No, they are way too small and in the flood plain. Wait, so ya, good chance they build on it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

The empty nesters still there could sell their homes to working class families, at far under market value. I don't actually expect that to happen. But that is the way to preserve the community.

This is a dumb suggestion. No one would do that, and no one should be asked to do that. It's dumb and makes zero sense, unless you are in Communist Cuba.

[fotze2]

I think every owner has to agree to sell their place in the future at a growth rate equivalent to, say Yorkton. If greater than 50% say yes, then no more development.

I wonder how many Mount Royal residents have a place in Canmore but also deeply oppose densification zoning changes in Mount Royal?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, they are way too small and in the flood plain. Wait, so ya, good chance they build on it.

Yeah, the flood plain thing makes it a bad idea and yeah, you're also correct that that means it's time to build. Have you ever eaten at that restaurant 1988 (I think that's what it's called) in Dead Man's Flats? It looks like a hole in the wall, but the owner makes everything from scratch (including his pizza dough) and everything on the menu was my favourite food ever. They closed at the end of September. Building a condo development in its place with businesses below. There are other new buildings there. Definitely limited as to how big the community can get and I guess people will just roll the dice on floods.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I never really noticed anti-visitor in Canmore but Fernie on the other hand…

Oh yeah. When I read Sliver's account of local canmorons all I could think of was the Elk Valley. We've been out there as Albertan cabin owners for over 25 years and the animosity for Albertans is disgusting. Yet if you dig deeper on the locals, guess what, they were originally from Alberta in many cases. BC people have a long history of smugness and arrogance combined with jealousy.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, they are way too small and in the flood plain. Wait, so ya, good chance they build on it.

Perfect opportunity for those houses built on stilts like in the Gulf States. Let's goooooo.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I’m not sure Canmore has the infrastructure to handle the enormity of Sliver. Maybe wait 20 years and give that community a chance.

Cochrane is rationing water this week.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I never really noticed anti-visitor in Canmore but Fernie on the other hand…

I used to spend a lot of time at a friend's place in Canmore when we were in our young drinking days and there was definitely a lot of animosity from other guys our age when we'd be out at the Drake or Grizzly Paw... I had more close-calls with getting into fights in Canmore on my occasional visits than all of my bar nights in Calgary combined... It definitely had a "hostile to outsiders" vibe.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by troutman

Cochrane is rationing water this week.

Yeah but that’s only because they’re so full of ####

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Maybe you’re just an #######? I’ve never had that experience anywhere and have told many places/people were “weekenders”.

I used to be on a few Canmore FB groups. The animosity toward "weekenders", campers and tourists was incredible. They'd rip people to absolute shreds. After one particularly nasty post, ripping on people from Calgary, I finally asked why it was ok for them to travel to Calgary & utilize the infrastructure, shop at Costco, hit up the malls, stay in hotels so they could go to concerts or the Stampede or whatever - but it was so terribly wrong that people from Calgary and surrounding areas enjoyed time in Canmore in a similar vein. I also asked how many were OG Canmorites and how many had been transplants at one point themselves. Crikey, you'd have thought I'd just ripped the Lord Baby Jesus from his mother's arms & curbstomped him in front of them all, in asking about the double standard/hypocrisy.

I like Canmore. Part of me sees the benefit of new builds and part of me understands the desire to keeping certain areas natural. But, after seeing the horrible attitudes and animosity toward everyone that wasn't an OG Canmorite, we just gradually stopped going there, aside from the very occasional pull in at the McDs or Tims, or the gas station just off the highway, on our way through. We haven't spent any time downtown or targeted any of our spending capacity to the businesses in about 4 years. Just got tired of it all.

So, if Canmorites want it to return to just being a drive thru town, where people only stop at a couple of businesses just off the highway, and leave their precious town only for them, well, we're happy to give that to them, and spend our money elsewhere.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Minnie

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So, if Canmorites want it to return to just being a drive thru town, where people only stop at a couple of businesses just off the highway, and leave their precious town only for them, well, we're happy to give that to them, and spend our money elsewhere.

Yeah I mentioned it earlier in the thread and I'm not sure if you saw, but we've made a deliberate point to spend less there because of the hostility. At first we thought we were part of the town and felt good about shopping there, but they just do not see you the same way. First big purchase I didn't buy in Canmore whereas I would have last year was a new snowboard for my son. That's $800 a local business person didn't get. There will be many more things like that in the coming years unless attitudes change.

Imagine being openly hostile to another human being just because they like the town you love so much that they decided to spend as much time there as they could, so they bought a little home for themselves. Like, that makes you hate them and treat them like ####. It's impossible for me to fathom behaving that way.

[Danijam]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Have I gone overboard? Yes.

I hope we're still friends. We click on everything except Canmore stuff. At least we can leave our Canmore disagreements in this thread, though.

Hopefully you never meet on the streets of Canmore.