Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Beninho

No, they are incredibly brain washed. For decades, hence their situation.

So you agree they have been indoctrinated, in which case how can you blame them?

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Beninho

No, they are incredibly brain washed. For decades, hence their situation.

I am glad you can see right through this stuff and appreciate you for flagging these videos on Reddit. It must take a lot of time to sift through and find these.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Good thing you're pure and free of indoctrination.

Say what you want, if I was Palestinian I would also be wondering what the hell my society is doing, inviting another war when concessions for Palestinians were about to given with the peace deal with Saudi Arabia. I’d be wondering why my neighbors were celebrating more war. Islamist societies value death more than life. This is what we are seeing, but people everywhere are too naive or too soft to point it out. Or are happy to see Jews killed. There is a reason Palestinians are in the position they are in and its rooted directly within their societies blood-thirst want destruction of Israel.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Say what you want, if I was Palestinian I would also be wondering what the hell my society is doing, inviting another war when concessions for Palestinians were about to given with the peace deal with Saudi Arabia. I’d be wondering why my neighbors were celebrating more war. Islamist societies value death more than life. This is what we are seeing, but people everywhere are too naive or too soft to point it out. Or are happy to see Jews killed.

I would be interested if you have come across any examples (videos, photos) in your travels through the land of Reddit where people have openly stated they are "happy to see Jews killed" - specifically in the Western world? It seems to be a common narrative that is getting peddled but I have personally not seen this.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Say what you want, if I was Palestinian I would also be wondering what the hell my society is doing, inviting another war when concessions for Palestinians were about to given with the peace deal with Saudi Arabia. I’d be wondering why my neighbors were celebrating more war. Islamist societies value death more than life. This is what we are seeing, but people everywhere are too naive or too soft to point it out. Or are happy to see Jews killed. There is a reason Palestinians are in the position they are in and its rooted directly within their societies blood-thirst for the destruction of Israel.

No you wouldn't.

If you aren't mentally equipped to empathize with another culture or the experiences of "the other" then you are more likely to dehumanize them, which is exactly what you do. It's a failing on your part to not be able to see this current phase of a hundreds or thousands year-old conflict through the eyes of a Palestinian.

It's also rich to think you haven't been indoctrinated by your religious upbringing. I mean, indoctrination is a basic requirement of being religious haha.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Leondros

I would be interested if you have come across any examples (videos, photos) in your travels through the land of Reddit where people have openly stated they are "happy to see Jews killed" - specifically in the Western world? It seems to be a common narrative that is getting peddled but I have personally not seen this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/bhVh66OqXi

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/lLZq93hdhy

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/UQxRyf3ENp
Not even hard

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/bhVh66OqXi

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/lLZq93hdhy

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/UQxRyf3ENp
Not even hard

Disgusting, especially in today's world. Humanity has a long way to go still

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No you wouldn't.

If you aren't mentally equipped to empathize with another culture or the experiences of "the other" then you are more likely to dehumanize them, which is exactly what you do. It's a failing on your part to not be able to see this current phase of a hundreds or thousands year-old conflict through the eyes of a Palestinian.

It's also rich to think you haven't been indoctrinated by your religious upbringing. I mean, indoctrination is a basic requirement of being religious haha.

I am not even religious, me empathizing is wanting them to stop waging war and wishing they would have accepted the NUMEROUS peace offerings made to them after THEY lost THE WARS they WAGED. This could have been over literally decades ago. But it has always been the goal to destroy Israel for their leaders. It never changes just manifests to new groups. The PLO, the PA, Hamas, all the same goal for decades. But then now we have people, who have never followed this conflict, trying to tell Israelis, noooo it is not the Palestinian it is just Hamas.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I am not even religious, me empathizing is wanting them to stop waging war and wishing they would have accepted the NUMEROUS peace offerings made to them after THEY lost THE WARS they WAGED. This could have been over literally decades ago. But it has always been the goal to destroy Israel for their leaders. It never changes just manifests to new groups. The PLO, the PA, Hamas, all the same goal for decades.

None of this is “empathizing.” And I’m not sure you can both suggest they’re indoctrinated while also pretending you wouldn’t be in the same situation.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

None of this is “empathizing.” And I’m not sure you can both suggest they’re indoctrinated while also pretending you wouldn’t be in the same situation.

Jews were ghettoized and then gassed to death, Jews did not go back and look for revenge with Germany. We moved on. Palestinian society should do the same before it is far too late. Like I said, they had a chance to have peace many times, but war was waged. They were given Gaza, war was waged. Why can’t they move on? Billions of dollars in aid, BILLIONS, all used for the destruction of Israel. For DECADES. Why? religious extremism, hatred of Jews, raising children to hate, all common themes of an Islamist society. Can’t negotiate with nut jobs. The Palestinians have not had one non-senile leader but the world expects Israel to negotiate with crazies. Ok

[burn_this_city]

Mossad's original mandate was hunting down everyone involved in the final solution.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Mossad's original mandate was hunting down everyone involved in the final solution.

Well the Nazi party was out of power by then and Jews did not start suicide bombing German cafes in the 1950’s.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Jews were ghettoized and then gassed to death, Jews did not go back and look for revenge with Germany. We moved on. Palestinian society should do the same before it is far too late. Like I said, they had a chance to have peace many times, but war was waged. They were given Gaza, war was waged. Why can’t they move on? Billions of dollars in aid, BILLIONS, all used for the destruction of Israel. For DECADES. Why? religious extremism, hatred of Jews, raising children to hate, all common themes of an Islamist society. Can’t negotiate with nut jobs. The Palestinians have not had one non-senile leader but the world expects Israel to negotiate with crazies. Ok

Is anyone still living under Germany’s thumb?

[burn_this_city]

Continuously dispossessing and killing people tends to breed a constant cycle of violence. The dehumanization tells me you're just as brainwashed as the Palestinians.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Continuously dispossessing and killing people tends to breed a constant cycle of violence. The dehumanization tells me you're just as brainwashed as the Palestinians.

Interesting defence of a A war mongering society that would love nothing more to see a much larger version of the events from October 7th. Should I spell out the 5 different peace agreements offered to the Palestinians? They were offered the West Bank even after Hamas took Gaza. Some people on here are idiots man, welcome to the conflict, when this stage is over I will see you back in 5 years when you have forgotten the Palestinians exist until the Palestinians wage another useless war

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Jews were ghettoized and then gassed to death, Jews did not go back and look for revenge with Germany. We moved on. Palestinian society should do the same before it is far too late. Like I said, they had a chance to have peace many times, but war was waged. They were given Gaza, war was waged. Why can’t they move on? Billions of dollars in aid, BILLIONS, all used for the destruction of Israel. For DECADES. Why? religious extremism, hatred of Jews, raising children to hate, all common themes of an Islamist society. Can’t negotiate with nut jobs. The Palestinians have not had one non-senile leader but the world expects Israel to negotiate with crazies. Ok

I don’t know if comparing Palestinians under Israeli occupation to Jews under the Nazi regime makes the point you were wanting to make.

Out of curiosity, since you seem pretty comfortable with the abstract cost of this kind of business, I have a little thought experiment: Let’s say Hamas was one guy, and if you killed the one guy, Hamas would be done. Would you do it? (you can be a soldier or whatever in this hypothetical, whatever makes it possible in your mind, not you as “guy on the internet”). I’m going to assume yes, right? 100%? Ok, so, let’s say to get to this one guy, you had to personally kill a Palestinian baby with your bare hands. Would you still do it? What if you had to kill more than one? What’s the limit?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

So now we've reached the stage where it's believe nothing that comes out of Gaza but believe everything Israel says, even though Israeli officials have said they are focusing on damage, not accuracy. Beautiful.

Well, not related to your assertion specifically, but this is the way of the world now. Believe nothing that comes out from the other side, and believe everything that your side puts out there.

In US politics, Dems believe MSNBC, CNN, etc. vs. the Republicans who believe Fox News, OAN, etc.

In the west, trusted sources are BBC, NYT, etc. and see CGTN and Global Time as eastern propaganda, but in the east, it's flipped completely where the trusted for the other side are propaganda and the propaganda to the other side are trusted for their side.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know if comparing Palestinians under Israeli occupation to Jews under the Nazi regime makes the point you were wanting to make.

Out of curiosity, since you seem pretty comfortable with the abstract cost of this kind of business, I have a little thought experiment: Let’s say Hamas was one guy, and if you killed the one guy, Hamas would be done. Would you do it? (you can be a soldier or whatever in this hypothetical, whatever makes it possible in your mind, not you as “guy on the internet”). I’m going to assume yes, right? 100%? Ok, so, let’s say to get to this one guy, you had to personally kill a Palestinian baby with your bare hands. Would you still do it? What if you had to kill more than one? What’s the limit?

Trust me I was not saying their situation was anywhere comparable. Jewish society did not have a choice, Palestinians have had many choices, always choose the wrong door. Genuinely remarkable.

Not answering your silly comparison, don’t shoot rockets and your kids won’t be killed. Use foreign aid for schools and infrastructure and not payouts to terrorists like the PLO does.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/UrO46aF0S3

“Palestinians don’t support Hamas!”

How many times ive heard that the past 3 weeks. Could not be further from the truth. But leftists who never have been to Israel want to tell me this is a peaceful society that don’t support Hamas because “they were too young to vote” or “too scared to rise up”. Oh ok then.

Seriously, what is the point of this post?

Were all 2.3 million gazans, 2.8 million west bank residents, 2 million palestinian israelis and 8 million in the diaspora all celebrating in the streets?

Our reactions are all, understandably different, just like any other nation on earth. Does the actions of a few hundred or even a few thousand people speak for the other 16 million worldwide?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Trust me I was not saying their situation was anywhere comparable. Jewish society did not have a choice, Palestinians have had many choices, always choose the wrong door. Genuinely remarkable.

Not answering your silly comparison, don’t shoot rockets and your kids won’t be killed. Use foreign aid for schools and infrastructure and not payouts yo terrorists like the PLO does.

Explain it to us here like we're 5, which choices have the Palestinians had that they arrogantly decided to chose the wrong door?