10-25-2023, 10:05 AM
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#261
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Originally Posted by phelpstheory
Good lord, the Dome was an absolute snoozefest last night.
Awful energy in there. Does bad weather = bad fan mood? lol
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The game was pretty boring to watch lol. The dome is quiet even when the team is doing well.
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10-25-2023, 10:07 AM
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#262
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Igottago
The loss of Gaudreau and Tkachuck was almost a historic situation, I've never seen any sports franchise unexpectedly lose its two superstars within a couple of weeks. Realistically, how was the franchise going to recover quickly from that. It was a complete sea change in the quality of the team. There was no way to effectively patch that up, try as they might.
The key now is for the Flames to recognize what and where they are -- this is a team on the decline. So put the plans in motion for the right strategy to build it up again. The insanity of pretending everything is going to be fine by staying the current course is infuriating.
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The team would be in the same situation if they stayed or 1 left and 1 stayed.
If both stay we lose other players.
Don't think Tkachuk does what he did in Florida in Calgary last year especially with his issues with Sutter.
We got dealt a pretty crappy hand. Both guys suck it up for 2 plus years and have career years in contract years.
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10-25-2023, 10:16 AM
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#263
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Some of the blame has to be on a near 8 pm puck drop on a Tuesday.
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10-25-2023, 10:18 AM
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#264
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Reppin' the C in BC
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Some of the blame has to be on a near 8 pm puck drop on a Tuesday.
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Which is 11 PM ET for a New York team
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10-25-2023, 10:29 AM
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#265
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: B.C.
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Huberdeau, Kadri and Markstrom, 23.5 million wasted. Last night the Rangers goalie was better than ours.
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10-25-2023, 10:37 AM
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#266
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Some of the blame has to be on a near 8 pm puck drop on a Tuesday.
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Awful excuse. 8 pm starts are not uncommon. Most Wednesday or Saturday games are at this time. and imagine how late it felt for the eastern team
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10-25-2023, 10:37 AM
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#267
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Teroy
Huberdeau, Kadri and Markstrom, 23.5 million wasted. Last night the Rangers goalie was better than ours.
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Still though. 1 goal might win you 3 to 5 games in a season.
The flames need someone who can shoot the puck in the net. Toffoli filled that role last year.
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10-25-2023, 10:40 AM
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#268
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Originally Posted by Igottago
The loss of Gaudreau and Tkachuck was almost a historic situation, I've never seen any sports franchise unexpectedly lose its two superstars within a couple of weeks. Realistically, how was the franchise going to recover quickly from that. It was a complete sea change in the quality of the team. There was no way to effectively patch that up, try as they might.
The key now is for the Flames to recognize what and where they are -- this is a team on the decline. So put the plans in motion for the right strategy to build it up again. The insanity of pretending everything is going to be fine by staying the current course is infuriating.
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Briere and Drury left Buffalo after 06/07, they narrowly missed the playoffs the next couple years, then made it twice, then bottom fell out and they’ve been adrift for 13 years. That’s the closest comparable I’ve seen.
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10-25-2023, 10:50 AM
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#269
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Scoring Winger
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7 games into the season and i feel numb watching this story play out, my apathy has completely set in. What even is this team. Unfortunately the rot starts at the top with Ownership and trickles down into every hockey ops decision.
If they sign Hanifin and Lindholm and triple/quadruple down on THIS core I will actually consider not watching games this season. I don't know what else a single fan can do. Rebuild FFS. Murray Edwards has got to be the worst owner in sports. Spending to the cap with a mid roster without a single top-end talent from G to D to FW doesn't make you a great guy, it makes you a fool.
The opportunity to rebuild 2 summers ago was so blatantly obvious to most of us but instead Tre chose the supposed "win-now" package, then last season when it was obvious to most of us that the season was going down the toilet and we should sell at the Trade Deadline.. we chose not to, and went into the draft with our own single mid-round pick, in the deepest draft in 10 years lol I mean honestly we could go on and on but the fact of the matter is, this franchise is spiraling with no end in sight, and no real plan in place that I can see.
IF the Flames were to trade Lindholm and Hanifin at the deadline for picks, and give this team an injection of young talent (hopefully at least a single gamebreaker) I will take it all back. With that being said, I'm fully expecting retirement contracts to be handed out over the next 1-2 months to both guys so that the team can try to spin the narrative that this is a great place to play or some other BS. F me.
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10-25-2023, 10:52 AM
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#270
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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Originally Posted by Goriders
Still though. 1 goal might win you 3 to 5 games in a season.
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And if the third goal didn't go in was anyone really confident they would be able to tie it back up the way the game was going? I sure the hell wasn't.
Shesterkin made two really good saves but one was Jordan Oesterle shooting it right into his pad.
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10-25-2023, 11:28 AM
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#271
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Red Deer, AB
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Markstrom played well enough to win, nobody else did
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10-25-2023, 11:31 AM
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#272
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
The ship has sailed. The time to rebuild was before we gave Huberdeau 10.5 x 8 and Kadri 7 x 7. Even Weegar at 6.5 x 7 is a garbo contract.
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I don't know, Dallas had Benn & Seguin and a few others and still was successful in rebuilding that thing quickly.
You don't HAVE to strip things down to bare bones if you are willing to have short term pain and a culture people want to be part of.
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10-25-2023, 11:33 AM
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#273
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by DropIt
Markstrom played well enough to win, nobody else did
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What does that even mean? Allowed a soft af goal that 95% of major junior goalies would stop. Sure wasn't the winning goal, just the back breaker.
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10-25-2023, 11:35 AM
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#274
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First Line Centre
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Markstrom played bad enough to lose, everyone else did too.
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10-25-2023, 11:39 AM
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#275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spotthefan
I don't know, Dallas had Benn & Seguin and a few others and still was successful in rebuilding that thing quickly.
You don't HAVE to strip things down to bare bones if you are willing to have short term pain and a culture people want to be part of.
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Yeah, but Dallas is such a hard example to follow. In one draft, they got
- a top 5 D man in the league
- a 40 goal scorer / Richard trophy Candidate
- a top 5 NHL starting goalie
While being in a location players want to be (Pavelski year after year on one year deals)
Sure, while it's possible, its highly unlikely.
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10-25-2023, 11:40 AM
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#276
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ashes
7 games into the season and i feel numb watching this story play out, my apathy has completely set in. What even is this team. Unfortunately the rot starts at the top with Ownership and trickles down into every hockey ops decision.
If they sign Hanifin and Lindholm and triple/quadruple down on THIS core I will actually consider not watching games this season. I don't know what else a single fan can do. Rebuild FFS. Murray Edwards has got to be the worst owner in sports. Spending to the cap with a mid roster without a single top-end talent from G to D to FW doesn't make you a great guy, it makes you a fool.
The opportunity to rebuild 2 summers ago was so blatantly obvious to most of us but instead Tre chose the supposed "win-now" package, then last season when it was obvious to most of us that the season was going down the toilet and we should sell at the Trade Deadline.. we chose not to, and went into the draft with our own single mid-round pick, in the deepest draft in 10 years lol I mean honestly we could go on and on but the fact of the matter is, this franchise is spiraling with no end in sight, and no real plan in place that I can see.
IF the Flames were to trade Lindholm and Hanifin at the deadline for picks, and give this team an injection of young talent (hopefully at least a single gamebreaker) I will take it all back. With that being said, I'm fully expecting retirement contracts to be handed out over the next 1-2 months to both guys so that the team can try to spin the narrative that this is a great place to play or some other BS. F me.
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Think the saving grace is I don’t think they can afford to do that capwise. Can’t have the whole team on 8 year big dollar contracts.
Math might just save them from themselves.
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10-25-2023, 11:42 AM
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#277
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
Yeah, but Dallas is such a hard example to follow. In one draft, they got
- a top 5 D man in the league
- a 40 goal scorer / Richard trophy Candidate
- a top 5 NHL starting goalie
While being in a location players want to be (Pavelski year after year on one year deals)
Sure, while it's possible, its highly unlikely.
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Totally. But so is the Edmonton possibility of winning the lottery every year (despite the joy of their failure to win AFTER that gives me).
The real plan is somewhere in the middle. Struggle through a couple years, create a culture people want to be part of, build the team from the bottom.
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10-25-2023, 11:46 AM
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#278
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Mckenzie Towne
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DropIt
Markstrom played well enough to win, nobody else did
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Still the 2nd best goalie. He made some great saves BUT let in a softy.
Their goalie made some great saves. No but. Always a but with Markstrom.
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10-25-2023, 11:57 AM
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#279
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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fire team bad?
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10-25-2023, 11:58 AM
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#280
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Toffoli with 4 goals tonight. Someone like him maybe.
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3. But yes I get your point
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