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I finished up Star Wars Rebels last night, and think I figured out what happened here.
They couldn't call the Live Action show "Rebels" so they renamed it "Ahsoka".
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I think Disney shot their wad trying to make Rebels, realized it wouldn't work, and then plonked in a few Ahsoka specific scenes and renamed the show.
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As an “Ahsoka” show? Meh.
As “Rebels: Season 5”? It was ####ing awesome.
I have binged about 3.5 seasons of Rebels in the last few weeks, and I can now see this too. Ahsoka was basically a live-action "Rebels Season 5". I as an uninitiated Ahsoka viewer, who hadn't seen any of the cartoons before, was somewhat lost with respect to the plot (although I did know who Thrawn was, even though I hadn't read the books cover-to-cover). Having a background in these other characters would have made Ahsoka more enjoyable, I think.
Or not. I don't know. It seems those of you who did watch the cartoons didn't care for Ahsoka anyway. E.g.:
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I mean, Clone Wars and Rebels? Thats like 11 years of content. Ain't nobody got time for that....do you even consider the VAST demographic of people you are essentially excluding from your show because they have no idea who these people are, what their motivations are and what they're doing?
And you've spent next to ZERO time in your show actually explaining it?
Thats why I referred to this show as a Filoni masturbation fantasy rather than an actual show that actual fans can actually enjoy. This whole thing was for Dave.
Star Wars falls into this trap all the goddamned time and its a pain in the ass.
And I'll tell you. I'm in the minority. I've seen the Clone Wars. I've watched Rebels. I've read the Heir to the Empire Trilogy.
And this show still sucked.
I can definitely now see the "this whole thing was for Dave" aspect. It was Filoni getting a chance to create a live-action version of Rebels. Otherwise, it was a very muddled show with seemingly little point to it.
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I never felt lost with the plot. It felt like nothing really happened. They go to another galaxy to stop a bad guy from coming back. The bad guy comes back.
There's some fan service, like ghost Anakin and the space whales. Also.... Zombie stormtroopers? No.
I really enjoyed it but I'm also a big fan of Clone Wars and Rebels and just enjoyed seeing the live action versions of the characters.
Star Wars fans have really sucked the life out of any discussion about these series. So much hyperbole like it's the worst thing that's ever been created.
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I never felt lost with the plot. It felt like nothing really happened. They go to another galaxy to stop a bad guy from coming back. The bad guy comes back.
I should clarify that by "lost" what I meant was I felt "out of the loop". Less "I don't understand the goings-on"—it was really very simple, and you very succinctly summarized the entire show above—and more "I can tell this is a callback to something, but I don't know what". The show did a mediocre job of bringing the uninitiated up to speed about these little winks to the audience. I think it fell a lot harder back onto an audience's assumed knowledge of characters like Thrawn, Ahsoka herself, Sabine, Hera, Ezra, etc. than the writers should have.
Whereas, by contrast, I never felt similarly 'lost' in a show like Better Call Saul, which was replete with callbacks and little nods to the Breaking Bad audience but the show did a great job never letting those of us who didn't watch Breaking Bad feel like we were missing something. (And, in fact, I enjoyed watching Breaking Bad afterward because the "reverse callbacks"—stuff I saw in BCS first, rather than BB—still worked!)
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I really enjoyed it but I'm also a big fan of Clone Wars and Rebels and just enjoyed seeing the live action versions of the characters.
Star Wars fans have really sucked the life out of any discussion about these series. So much hyperbole like it's the worst thing that's ever been created.
As someone that didn't have any emotional connection or attachment to any of these characters beforehand, who had essentially just this show (outside of a couple of animated episodes) to convince me to like them and want to follow their respective stories, I'll tell you that it failed miserably.
The animated shows must have shouldered a lot of the heavy lifting here and shown these characters in a much better light, because none of them were very interesting, likable or fun. Maybe Ezra, but again I had no idea what he was about, just that he wanted to do kung foo with the force and was pretty well aloof about the stakes of everything going on.
Maybe it's an enjoyable tack on to several other seasons of another show, but as a self-contained story that should be giving depth to its characters, and establishing motivations so that things make sense, this was like a hut built over a river. And not in the fun, George Lucas way.
You're not wrong. I would have missed out on a bunch and wouldn't have felt the weight of many of the scenes without having seen the previous shows. But I'm glad I listened to the chorus of people who have said they're amazing and watched everything. It made a good TV show even better.
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There was just something lost with Ashoka, I didn't think that Rosario did a good job of it, she lacked the original Ashoka's energy, her snark and her optimism.
Instead we got a brooding,low energy Ashoka even when she donned the white robes.
I also agree that the series wasn't particularly well written after the half way point, which is a shame because the villains became way more interesting then the hero's except for maybe Hera.
I will always consider the last 4 episode arch of The Clone Wars as the ultimate Star Wars outside of the original trilogy. It had it all, and you found yourself cheering and mourning for Ashoka.
From the motion capture fight, to the escape from order 66 where a lot of clones that we knew and loved died, you felt the tension and the sadness of the end of the Jedi order. Instead in this series, it just came out as flat and emotionless.
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I never felt lost with the plot. It felt like nothing really happened. They go to another galaxy to stop a bad guy from coming back. The bad guy comes back.
There's some fan service, like ghost Anakin and the space whales. Also.... Zombie stormtroopers? No.
I wonder if Dave tried to mash too much stuff into a 1 series arch. I mean the Zombie Storm Troopers, it felt like a bit of a rip off of the book Death Troopers which is a really good book.
I count Anakin as a high point in the season. Maybe because it feels like Hayden finally got his actors redemption arch.
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While I enjoyed Ahsoka for the most part, it still ended on a whimper for me. I have watched all of Clone Wars and Rebels multiple times and I agree that Ahsoka's casting choice is a problem as I find it difficult to recognize her compared to even her portrayal as an older Ahsoka in Rebels.
The energy just doesn't seem right. I was willing to give Rosario Dawson a chance when she appeared in Mandalorian but with more screen time she just hasn't screamed 'Ahsoka' to me.
I think the problem is that Ashley Eckstein did such a great job of voice acting Ashoka that she has literally become that role. So Rosario came in and was just different.
I mean I still love in the last fight with Maul when she turns around to Maul and says "You're lucky my master isn't here, with the way your fighting you wouldn't last long".
We never got a good Ashokaism in the series.
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I do not get people who liked the Hera character. Her costume, bad makeup and overall character arc were incredibly bad. Seemed like it came out of an entirely different tv show.
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I do not get people who liked the Hera character. Her costume, bad makeup and overall character arc were incredibly bad. Seemed like it came out of an entirely different tv show.
Because it did.
Works ok in 3d animation on a show for kids. Not so much in live action.
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I do not get people who liked the Hera character. Her costume, bad makeup and overall character arc were incredibly bad. Seemed like it came out of an entirely different tv show.
How dare you besmirch that costume.
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I know this is going to be a sexist-pig thing to say, but I'm a fan of every time she walks away from the camera. That orange flight suit works for her...
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Those astronaut pants of hers were working OT to keep my attention on this show.
You're not wrong. I would have missed out on a bunch and wouldn't have felt the weight of many of the scenes without having seen the previous shows. But I'm glad I listened to the chorus of people who have said they're amazing and watched everything. It made a good TV show even better.
Why did they make the live action versions of these characters suck #### with constant #####y dialogue then, if their origin stories were the best thing since sliced bread?
Call it season 5 if I need to watch the rest of the content.
None of the creators told people they need to see the animated series. If it can't hold up on its own and make you want to watch the rest, it probably just wasn't very good.
Lots of later seasons of other shows inspire new viewers to go back and see the rest. I don't feel any draw whatsoever, and no more than when the show started.
This is just pompous "super fan" nonsense. Been a fan of the franchise for 30 years thanks.
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