[PGT] Flames lose 3-1 to the Rangers

[jg13]

Just saw Monahan has as many points as Kadri and Huberdeau combined. Pain

[GullFoss]

The worst thing about all of this is that Sutter probably accurately assessed exactly what Huby and Kadri were as players and was probably trying to teach them how to be an effective part of a championship team. And instead of becoming team players and learning from Sutter (like Iggy and Kopitar and Richards and Carter and Brown did)...Huby and Kadri just ####ed around all season and learned #### all.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

My god this comment is just so dumb. It’s the same group of players doing the same things they did all last year.

Right, they are playing the exact same perimeter low danger bullcrap that Sutter was preaching, of course nothing has changed. What is actually dumb is thinking that the coach is not to blame for having them do the EXACT same thing in the o zone that didn't work at all last year. It's like firing a guy because he is trying to fit a round peg in a square hole and then defending the new guy when he tries the same damn thing.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

On pace for 59 points. If the objective was obtaining the first overall pick, then Sutter was definitely the problem.

Lol the worst part is that they are still only bottom ten territory. It’s going to be hard to suck their way to a top 5 pick. I think it’s more likely 10th to 14th territory

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Caps added for emphasis?

Yes, but also cause it's mind-bottling to me that people only care about that ONE season he had two years ago.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Tre signed him to 3yr contract. Tre gave Tkachuk the control.

Plus it was more Johnny then Tkachuk. Not sure why you hate Tkachuk so much.

Tkachuk said he wanted to sign long term and then requested to be traded to a couple teams few weeks later when he was still under contract for another season

I'm not sure why you guys like Tkachuk so much, he totally bailed on us. So did Gaudreau but he would have been an iffy contract anyway.

[AustinL_NHL]

The real ones always knew Sutter was right

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by jg13

Just saw Monahan has as many points as Kadri and Huberdeau combined. Pain

He was the Flames heart and soul too. Dude was PROUD to play here. This is the worst timeline.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The worst thing about all of this is that Sutter probably accurately assessed exactly what Huby and Kadri were as players and was probably trying to teach them how to be an effective part of a championship team. And instead of becoming team players and learning from Sutter like Iggy and Kopitar and Richards and Carter and Brown did...they just ####ed around all season and learned #### all.

Odd comment, Kadri was literally coming from the defending champs last year.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol the worst part is that they are still only bottom ten territory. It’s going to be hard to suck their way to a top 5 pick. I think it’s more likely 10th to 14th territory

59 points would have tied us with columbus and chicago for 2nd last in the league

I'll take a guaranteed top 5 overall pick right now.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

He was the Flames heart and soul too. Dude was PROUD to play here. This is the worst timeline.

Remember the post game 7 hugs with Johnny?

[Burning Beard]

When does the new captain get to lead his first "players only" meeting? Any bets?

[Karl]

This team just doesn't have enough offensive talent to be good as it is.

They just don't have it.

[taxbuster]

There's a lot of whining going on...and for good reason. There were, however, some (if not many) bright spots.

The first period was highly entertaining...fast, zippy, hockey...good positioning and changes both ways, but generally until the last couple of minutes, more for the Flames.

Good PKs and goalie work until they scored. Didn't think any of the goals were particularly weak..more unlucky.

Kadri looked mad and engaged. I think that's supposed to be "good".

The rest? Lousy passing, lousy shooting, please fire Weegar into the sun if he shoots another puck into a defenceman or loses it. It's just too common. And he's supposedly one of the "good" players.

Yah..the end of the third was a bit of an uptick with zero ability to finish and almost zero ability to maintain pressure - and when they did...they lost the puck. Nowhere near enough shots from down low...all back to the Sutter blue line shot tactic. Awful.

Oh well, at least the NoGoods lost.

[kehatch]

Yes, the Flames have a mediocre roster. That doesn't excuse poor coaching. They look lost in the D zone. They can't exit the zone. They can't set up offensively. The team doesn't play like a team.

Nearly every player on the roster looks worse this year then they did last year. That includes Tanev, Backlund, Coleman, Dube, Zadorov, etc.

Coaches have been terrible so far. Hopefully it's just growing pains, but I am not hopeful.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Right, they are playing the exact same perimeter low danger bullcrap that Sutter was preaching, of course nothing has changed. What is actually dumb is thinking that the coach is not to blame for having them do the EXACT same thing in the o zone that didn't work at all last year. It's like firing a guy because he is trying to fit a round peg in a square hole and then defending the new guy when he tries the same damn thing.

I think you put it on the organization.

Our Arizona Coyotes General Manager of President of Hockey Operations hired last year’s assistant GM as GM and last year’s assistant head coach as Head Coach…what did we expect to change?

They literally did everything they could to play the exact same brand of hockey that didn’t work last season.

One, it’s bafflingly stupid.

Two, it’s outrageously offensive to the fans that suffered through the garbage that was the 2022/2023 Calgary Flames season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Huberdeau had EIGHT seasons with less than 70 points and TWO seasons with more than 80 points. He's not washed up, he just is what he is. A permeter accessory player. He needs to be inbetween a skilled driver that can rush the zone and a skill finisher that can drive to the net. He's a middle man.

This is a little misleading...he has been over PPG 4 times

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Odd comment, Kadri was literally coming from the defending champs last year.

And it probably went to his head. He was so pissy about the lack of two way communication with Sutter. Because Kadri is why the Avs won a cup. Kadris a ####in champ!

[Igottago]

Anyone post Huberdeau's amazing spreadsheet metrics yet to reassure us all?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When the team can't move the puck in the offensive zone and just turn it over that is on Ryan Huska. His team's don't score a lot and they don't defend well this year either. Coaching matters more than anything. The history of the NHL is full of average teams making the playoffs because they had a good fit at coach.

Iginla, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Kipper still played well/put up good numbers under crappy coaching from B. Sutter and Gulutzan. It's the roster man. It doesn't matter who's behind the bench if you don't have the talent to win