[News] Andersson suspended four games

[CF84]

This is a response to Spurs since I apparently can't quote his/her posts.

I'm not sure if you were yet following the Flames, but there was once a time the Flames were the least penalized teams in the NHL. One day, a man who many Flames fans wanted fired into the sun hit a National Hockey League referee in a moment of frustration. He was suspended for 20 games and the Flames went from being the least penalized team to the most penalized team overnight after they supported the player's side of the story. In the middle of a season. With no change in personnel. With no change in style. This new hatred from the referees remained for a few years. While the Flames still drew lots of penalties, this also took a hit. The next year began, and the Flames were still the most penalized team in the NHL. It was not just a small part of Flames history and while the Flames were able to draw slightly less penalties, the amount of times shorthanded increased by 48% from 2.62 times per game to 3.88 per game. That is no small leap and it also was not a insignificant sample size.

The Wideman effect was real. I personally don't believe it is still a factor, but I think some fans have never recovered from the bias the league showed for that moment in Flames history. The graphs supporting the theory are actually so surreal they seem unreal and impossible.

Also, some fans can't see the Flames or any of it's players being on the wrong side of any situation.

[dino7c]

I voted for one game...you can see who voted for what in the poll

It's the constant Flames always being the leagues whipping boy that I am done with. I haven't spent a dime on the league since the Coleman goal.

I get better service stealing the product anyway.

I don't know how people can put these kind of things past the NHL with the pride tape nonsense and a million other things they have ####ed up on.

We had a ref caught on a hot mic talking about making up a penalty lol

[N-E-B]

I’m going to push back on the “the hit was unnecessary” narrative a bit here.

If we’re going to call our Andersson for throwing a hit at that time of the game, why aren’t we going to call out Laine for trying to score on an empty net from his own end when the game is clearly over?

My position is that I have no problem with Laine trying to score there, but if he’s going to score I have no problem with Ras stepping up and making him pay for it.

The hit itself was bad, but to call it “unnecessary” is ridiculous. If someone pulled that against my team I’d go after them too. Next time, make it clean. But I wouldn’t tell him to make a different decision in a million years.

I’m not usually a “you have to play the game” kind of guy, but I seriously question if some people actually played the game when they say stuff like that. You want to try score on my team? Go for it. But I’m going to make you pay, and I’m especially going to make you pay if it’s with 5 seconds left and you’re up by two and you’re shooting from your own end.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I voted for one game...you can see who voted for what in the poll

It's the constant Flames always being the leagues whipping boy that I am done with. I haven't spent a dime on the league since the Coleman goal.

I get better service stealing the product anyway.

I don't know how people can put these kind of things past the NHL with the pride tape nonsense and a million other things they have ####ed up on.

We had a ref caught on a hot mic talking about making up a penalty lol

LOL yes you can totally see who voted in that poll. You didn't vote until prob after they announced the suspension.

I looked at it about 6-8 hours after it was put up to see if you admit that you were wrong, and you didn't vote. lol
and you were definitely in here posting during that time. lol

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Like always, I have no issue with them being harsh as long as it's applied consistently. But it won't be, I'm sure we'll see a much worse hit soon that gets a single game

Precisely.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by CF84

This is a response to Spurs since I apparently can't quote his/her posts.

I'm not sure if you were yet following the Flames, but there was once a time the Flames were the least penalized teams in the NHL. One day, a man who many Flames fans wanted fired into the sun hit a National Hockey League referee in a moment of frustration. He was suspended for 20 games and the Flames went from being the least penalized team to the most penalized team overnight after they supported the player's side of the story. In the middle of a season. With no change in personnel. With no change in style. This new hatred from the referees remained for a few years. While the Flames still drew lots of penalties, this also took a hit. The next year began, and the Flames were still the most penalized team in the NHL. It was not just a small part of Flames history and while the Flames were able to draw slightly less penalties, the amount of times shorthanded increased by 48% from 2.62 times per game to 3.88 per game. That is no small leap and it also was not a insignificant sample size.

The Wideman effect was real. I personally don't believe it is still a factor, but I think some fans have never recovered from the bias the league showed for that moment in Flames history. The graphs supporting the theory are actually so surreal they seem unreal and impossible.

Also, some fans can't see the Flames or any of it's players being on the wrong side of any situation.

The Wideman effect wasn't real at all another made up myth by Flames fans, although a small vocal group and a situation that would have been made by any fan base as well.

[1Nite]

Please don't feed the troll!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Tbh the goals called back in recent years for the Flames are more aggravating than the penalties.

Coleman's was ridiculous and sealed that series when a win on that late tally to go ahead would've made it a contest which it should've been.

And just the other night another one. There's too many where they've thrown logic out the window at the expense of this team.

As for calls, well thankfully we have one of the best and most dangerous PKs that it's almost more advantageous for us to be killing penalties than on the powerplay. So joke's on them.

[FireGilbert]

[Flamesguy_SJ]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m going to push back on the “the hit was unnecessary” narrative a bit here.

If we’re going to call our Andersson for throwing a hit at that time of the game, why aren’t we going to call out Laine for trying to score on an empty net from his own end when the game is clearly over?

Because scoring an empty net goal with 1 second on the clock doesn't result in the other player suffering head trauma.

[Johnny Makarov]

Laine out again tonight so for sure Rasmus deserves 4 games.

I know they didn't do it on purpose but they should really tie suspensions to an injury.

But of course the NHLPA would never go for that. They hate protecting their own(perpetrators).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Laine out again tonight so for sure Rasmus deserves 4 games.

I know they didn't do it on purpose but they should really tie suspensions to an injury.

But of course the NHLPA would never go for that. They hate protecting their own(perpetrators).

Lol that’s also a dumb system. The punishments just need to be consistent

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol it’s also a dumb system. The punishments just need to be consistent

It would have been amazing never to see Matt Cooke again after his hit on Savard.

[EVERLAST]

Hey JM....please don't tell me your comparing the 2?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

It would have been amazing never to see Matt Cooke again after his hit on Savard.

Cooke should have received harsher suspensions leading up to that. He is also a player that doesn’t exist in the NHL anymore like Scott Stevens

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Hey JM....please don't tell me your comparing the 2?

Of course not.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Spurs

The Wideman effect wasn't real at all another made up myth by Flames fans, although a small vocal group and a situation that would have been made by any fan base as well.

Oh you're not a Flames fan? That explains a lot.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Oh you're not a Flames fan? That explains a lot.

LOL

That is a massive reach and silly post, but not surprising.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Really I don't have an issue with 4 games for what he did. It's exactly the predatorial type of play they want to eliminate from hockey. My only issue is that the league isn't consistent with their punishment but if this is the norm going ahead then I'm fine.

It's really this point that everyone can agree upon (I even think Dino). No one is saying that the hit didn't deserve a suspension. I don't even have an issue with 4 games. I'm just doubtful that will be the standard for predatory hits this season. The NHL's lack of consistency is the debate based on their past history.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m going to push back on the “the hit was unnecessary” narrative a bit here.

If we’re going to call our Andersson for throwing a hit at that time of the game, why aren’t we going to call out Laine for trying to score on an empty net from his own end when the game is clearly over?

My position is that I have no problem with Laine trying to score there, but if he’s going to score I have no problem with Ras stepping up and making him pay for it.

The hit itself was bad, but to call it “unnecessary” is ridiculous. If someone pulled that against my team I’d go after them too. Next time, make it clean. But I wouldn’t tell him to make a different decision in a million years.

I’m not usually a “you have to play the game” kind of guy, but I seriously question if some people actually played the game when they say stuff like that. You want to try score on my team? Go for it. But I’m going to make you pay, and I’m especially going to make you pay if it’s with 5 seconds left and you’re up by two and you’re shooting from your own end.

One is basically an irrelevant play, the other a malicious hit to the head.

Apples and oranges.

Make him pay with a clean check.