Israel declares war on Hamas

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Nope. I’m talking about the current conflict that started when when the government of Gaza declared war on Israel by murdering 1400 men, women and children. Not by going after military targets that The IDF were hiding behind or firing rockets from.

It’s a good thing Hamas hides somewhere within a city block, that way Israel can flatten the entire block to kill a couple of them, as is necessary and impossible to accomplish any other way.

[Beninho]

https://youtu.be/npnWuMSDjZA?si=hRByFnz-Ju-L_ziB

Not sure how this is not being picked up by news outlets but the US has sent 10,000 troops to Saudi Arabia

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Sure. They're doing everything to avoid civilian casualties.
Sure. They're doing everything they can to ensure the hospitals don't run out of fuel or supplies and the civilian population their medication.
Over 5k deaths and counting. All accidents. Nope no indiscriminate bombing at all.

I’m never said Israel is doing everything they can to ensure hospitals don’t run out of fuel. Why would they? Their own government won’t and Israel has stated that’s not their priority. Israel’s priority is getting thief hostages back, maybe Jut maybe Hamas should start there.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What kind of response did you want?

“You’re right, Hamas should release the hostages and stop doing terrorism!”

Do you think anybody here doesn’t already believe that? Like, what are we doing here at this point? Do we honestly think the point anyone is making in defence of Palestinians or in criticism of the Israeli government has anything to do with a defence of Hamas? Come on.

So what should Israel do? Seriously in your mind what should be the their response to Oct.7th?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I’m never said Israel is doing everything they can to ensure hospitals don’t run out of fuel. Why would they?

Wtf? You said they weren't targeting hospitals and civilians?

They're targeting them by depriving them of fuel, medicine, supplies and equipment.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Wtf? You said they weren't targeting hospitals and civilians?

Get a ####ing grip. It's war, they are cutting off supply lines to the enemy. They have said no fuel until the hostages are released...and Hamas releases 4 so far out of 220. Release the hostages. It starts there.

[Bagor]

Oh I've got a firm grip of your lies and bs.

Just say that you've no issue with hospitals and civilians being targeted and stop with your propaganda lying bs when you say

Originally Posted by Zevo

Firstly, they aren’t targeting civilians and hospitals.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oh I've got a firm grip of your lies and bs.

Just say that you've no issue with hospitals and civilians being targeted and stop with your propaganda lying bs when you say

Apologies for my ignorance, but is it not still being investigated and unclear who launched the missile that hit the hospital?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Apologies for my ignorance, but is it not still being investigated and unclear who launched the missile that hit the hospital?

No.
It's pretty much generally accepted now that it was a misfired rocket.
You really ignorant or do you have a point you're trying to make?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Apologies for my ignorance, but is it not still being investigated and unclear who launched the missile that hit the hospital?

It’s been confirmed by various non Israeli sources that the Palestinians bombed their own hospital. Over 550 Palestinian rockets have fallen back into Gaza. Bagor is still waiting for more evidence.

When an Israeli hospital bombed interestingly enough none of the anti-Israel poster’s mentioned anything.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bagor

No.
It's pretty much generally accepted now that it was a misfired rocket.
You really ignorant or do you have a point you're trying to make?

Wow, yes I wasnt sure. Thought maybe there was something conclusive that I missed.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Bagor is still waiting for more evidence

Again. What a dishonest little poster you are.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Again. What a dishonest little poster you are.

And you are sanctimonious hypocrite

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

And you are sanctimonious hypocrite

Nope.
I haven't made any false accusations.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Where did I say that Israel dropped the bomb on the hospital?

Originally Posted by Bagor

Where did I say that I believed Al Jazeera's article on the hospital bombing?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Is it too much to ask them not to target hospitals and civilians?

Were you talking about the Palestinians here? Because yes I agree with you.

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/Ne...uthern-Israel-

[opendoor]

Obama actually wrote a pretty good piece on the conflict. Not really any new information or arguments, but it's interesting to see an ex-President weigh in with a balanced take.

As would be expected, he's largely supportive of Israel. But he does highlight some important points that some people seem to really gloss over. Particularly how an overzealous response that results in significant harm to civilians is likely to be counterproductive to Israel's long-term security both because it'll harden the resolve of their enemies and potentially weaken the support they rely on from the West:

As I stated in an earlier post, Israel has a right to defend its citizens against such wanton violence, and I fully support President Biden’s call for the United States to support our long-time ally in going after Hamas, dismantling its military capabilities, and facilitating the safe return of hundreds of hostages to their families.

But even as we support Israel, we should also be clear that how Israel prosecutes this fight against Hamas matters. In particular, it matters — as President Biden has repeatedly emphasized — that Israel’s military strategy abides by international law, including those laws that seek to avoid, to every extent possible, the death or suffering of civilian populations. Upholding these values is important for its own sake — because it is morally just and reflects our belief in the inherent value of every human life. Upholding these values is also vital for building alliances and shaping international opinion — all of which are critical for Israel’s long-term security.

Still, the world is watching closely as events in the region unfold, and any Israeli military strategy that ignores the human costs could ultimately backfire. Already, thousands of Palestinians have been killed in the bombing of Gaza, many of them children. Hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes. The Israeli government’s decision to cut off food, water and electricity to a captive civilian population threatens not only to worsen a growing humanitarian crisis; it could further harden Palestinian attitudes for generations, erode global support for Israel, play into the hands of Israel’s enemies, and undermine long term efforts to achieve peace and stability in the region.

It means acknowledging that Palestinians have also lived in disputed territories for generations; that many of them were not only displaced when Israel was formed but continue to be forcibly displaced by a settler movement that too often has received tacit or explicit support from the Israeli government; that Palestinian leaders who’ve been willing to make concessions for a two-state solution have too often had little to show for their efforts; and that it is possible for people of good will to champion Palestinian rights and oppose certain Israeli government policies in the West Bank and Gaza without being anti-semitic.

https://barackobama.medium.com/my-st...a-a6c397f09a30

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Wow, yes I wasnt sure. Thought maybe there was something conclusive that I missed.

Apologies for my rudeness. I read your initial message before your edit.

I just assumed that people had been following the updates and there was a point you were trying to make behind it. My bad.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oh I've got a firm grip of your lies and bs.

Just say that you've no issue with hospitals and civilians being targeted and stop with your propaganda lying bs when you say

The solution fully lies with Hamas, the side that started this current conflict. If they didn’t want all the ####ty things that countries do to each other in a war maybe they shouldn’t have started one.

Israel are no saints and I never said they were but they aren’t doing anything different than virtually any other country that’s been attacked. They are just vastly militarily superior to the government that was stupid enough to provoke them. What the #### did Hamas think was going to happen?!

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Israel are no saints and I never said they were

Oh but you had a good go at asserting they were much more saintlier than they actually were. Then threw a tantrum when challenged on it.

Originally Posted by Zevo

Firstly, they aren’t targeting civilians and hospitals.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Obama actually wrote a pretty good piece on the conflict. Not really any new information or arguments, but it's interesting to see an ex-President weigh in with a balanced take.

As would be expected, he's largely supportive of Israel. But he does highlight some important points that some people seem to really gloss over. Particularly how an overzealous response that results in significant harm to civilians is likely to be counterproductive to Israel's long-term security both because it'll harden the resolve of their enemies and potentially weaken the support they rely on from the West:







https://barackobama.medium.com/my-st...a-a6c397f09a30

I miss that dude being in charge of stuff.

Not perfect by any means, but as good as you can reasonably expect this day and age. It's almost a salve for my brain reading/listening to him after the past 7 years.