Israel declares war on Hamas

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Where do you see the extremist ideology in the Christian faith today...just curious...honest question.

Their takeover of American politics, grassroots campaigns to overtake schoolboards and affect education systems, provincial Christian influence seeping into Alberta's curriculum from the UCP, anti-LGBTQ+ ideology, overturning of Roe v Wade in the USA (as a result of stacking the Supreme Court with right-wing Christian extremists who make faith-based decisions), unwavering support for unrest in Israel to hasten the coming of their little sky daddy per Biblical prophecy, Iraq war because George Bush thought god told him to attack, etc. etc.

[FlamesAddiction]

Three people arrested at protests in Calgary this weekend, including one for assault with a weapon.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/three-arr...lict-1.6612496

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Palestinians aren't hyper conservative though. One thing that surprises tourists is the nightlife. All the bars, and drinking and dancing.

You'd find with any nation, there are differing opinions and views amongst the population. Generally, people tend to be less conservative in cities with tourists and more conservative in rural areas and small towns.

In the middle east, that contrast tends to be amplified. For example, in Israel, you have Tel Aviv, one of the most liberal cities in the world, and Jerusalem, a city where you will get dirty looks for not covering your arms. The same is true of countries like Iran or even Saudi Arabia, where you have nightclubs in some cities but then people being executed for convening with genies in the same country.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Where do you see the extremist ideology in the Christian faith today...just curious...honest question.

Evangelicals. Christian Nationalists. Opus Dei. Fundamentalist Mormonism. I can go on. Religion is fine in moderation. They second you allow it to consume all aspects of your life and guide every action the second you become a nutbar fundy that is on the edge of becoming no different than the fundamentalists in any other religion.

[_Q_]

Being reported in Al Jazeera - Hamas has released 2 more captives.

[Beninho]

https://www.reddit.com/r/InsaneProtestors/s/zXMX32RlTh

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/UvEdOl09m2

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/Y4LC6I2Esd

Peaceful, just like Hamas.

Also London police report anti-semitic incidences have increased 1,353%, where is the genius in this thread that said Jews don’t have to worry about being attacked in the west? Like I said, if you want to find Jew hatred no better place than a Pro-Palestinian protest. It’s disgusting and happening in this country too. A man in Calgary was arrested for assault with a weapon during one as well. The people at these protests are completely unhinged , hateful, and aggressive. Nazi insignias, Isis and Taliban flags, I am completely stunned at the lack of condemnation and tolerance of pure hate speech at these protests. It is only a matter of time until something incredibly bad happens at one of them.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://www.reddit.com/r/InsaneProtestors/s/zXMX32RlTh

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/UvEdOl09m2

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/Y4LC6I2Esd

Peaceful, just like Hamas.

Also London police report anti-semitic incidences have increased 1,353%, where is the genius in this thread that said Jews don’t have to worry about being attacked in the west? Like I said, if you want to find Jew hatred no better place than a Pro-Palestinian protest. It’s disgusting and happening in this country too. A man in Calgary was arrested for assault with a weapon during one as well. The people at these protests are completely unhinged , hateful, and aggressive. Nazi insignias, Isis and Taliban flags, I am completely stunned at the lack of condemnation and tolerance of pure hate speech at these protests. It is only a matter of time until something incredibly bad happens at one of them.

People doing dumb things at protests... news at 5.

[Manhattanboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-of-atrocities

Israel shows footage of Hamas killings ‘to counter denial of atrocities

"Israeli authorities have shown harrowing footage of killings and mutilations during Hamas’s rampage in southern Israel on 7 October.

The government showed the 43-minute compilation in a private screening for dozens of foreign journalists at a military base in Tel Aviv on Monday to counter what it said were attempts to deny or downplay the extent of the atrocities.

The footage, captured by security cameras, body cameras worn by the Hamas attackers, vehicle dashboard cameras, social media accounts and videos from mobile phones, left some reporters in tears. The material included the killing of children and decapitation of some victims.

The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public: it showed Hamas militants flagging down a car as it drove slowly along a rural road. The gunmen open fire, hitting the vehicle, which swerved and halted, revealing two people slumped in the front seats.

In another scene Hamas attackers entered a house and spoke to a girl hiding under a table. “After some talking back and forth they shoot and kill her,” tweeted Jotam Confino, one of the correspondents at the screening. “Hard to say how old she is but looks like 7-9 years old.”

Another scene showed a father and his two sons, aged approximately seven and nine, running in their underwear to what appeared to be a bomb shelter. A Hamas attacker threw a grenade, killing the man. The boys emerge bloodied and run. “Dad’s dead, it wasn’t a prank,” one shouts. “I know, I saw it,” replies his brother, later screaming: “Why am I alive?”

Other sequences showed a militant with an agricultural tool hacking at the head of a man lying on the ground, gunmen killing wounded female Israeli soldiers and a jubilant Hamas fighter calling his family: “I killed 10 Jews with my own hands. I’m using the dead Jewish woman’s phone to call you now.”

Another clip showed an Israeli woman inspecting a partially burned woman’s corpse to see if it was a family member. The victim’s dress was pulled up to her waist and her underpants had been removed. Maj Gen Mickey Edelstein, who briefed reporters after the viewing, said authorities had evidence of rape.

Still images showed a decapitated soldier, charred human remains, including those of young children, and several Islamic State flags, the Times of Israel reported. “When we say Hamas is Isis, it’s not a branding effort,” R Adm Daniel Hagari told reporters after the screening.

Grisly scenes from the attack, in which more than 1,400 Israelis died, have been widely shared on social media in the past two weeks but Eylon Levy, an Israeli government spokesperson, said there was a “Holocaust denial-like phenomenon” about the scale of atrocities.

The screening took place amid renewed appeals to Israel to halt its bombing of Gaza, which killed at least 400 Palestinians in the past 24 hours, bringing the total death toll in the territory to more than 5,000, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. The dead include 2,055 children, it said.

About 1.4 million people – more than half of Gaza’s population – have been displaced in the retaliatory bombing, creating a humanitarian calamity for people that are trapped and deprived of water, food and medicine, the United Nations said. Israeli authorities said they launched limited raids into Gaza in advance of an expected ground offensive."

[Bill Bumface]

I love how it looks like the same white #### disturbers dropped their BLM costumes for their Palestine costumes and behave the same way.

[FlameOn]

How come there aren't any Palestinian protests against Hamas itself? From previous rocket attacks stats on wiki and now Al Ahli hospital, 10%+ of their rockets aimed at Israel landing back in Gaza. Given Hamas has fired close to 5000 rockets by their own claims now that's gotta be a lot of friendly fire going around without an Iron Dome. I mean, Palestinians should be pretty pissed there.

Then there's the whole Hamas leaders siphoning off aid to live as billionaires in Qatari palaces while telling Gazans to die, and the numerous prior deaths caused by Hamas rockets in the past.

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by _Q_

People doing dumb things at protests... news at 5.

Where are the Pro-Israeli protests with dumb things happening in the last two weeks?

And don't come back with some isolated incidents years ago of the most extreme groups in Israel that even most Israelis don't support.

Ignorant to the trend.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

How come there aren't any Palestinian protests against Hamas itself? From previous rocket attacks stats on wiki and now Al Ahli hospital, 10%+ of their rockets aimed at Israel landing back in Gaza. Given Hamas has fired close to 5000 rockets by their own claims now that's gotta be a lot of friendly fire going around without an Iron Dome. I mean, Palestinians should be pretty pissed there.

Then there's the whole Hamas leaders siphoning off aid to live as billionaires in Qatari palaces while telling Gazans to die, and the numerous prior deaths caused by Hamas rockets in the past.

Yeah, and I think that's the point many of us are trying to make. Go after the leaders (wherever they are) and maybe don't bomb and kill your average-Ahmad* Palestinian.

* not racist...looked it up and that's the most common name for boys in Gaza.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

How come there aren't any Palestinian protests against Hamas itself? From previous rocket attacks stats on wiki and now Al Ahli hospital, 10%+ of their rockets aimed at Israel landing back in Gaza. Given Hamas has fired close to 5000 rockets by their own claims now that's gotta be a lot of friendly fire going around without an Iron Dome. I mean, Palestinians should be pretty pissed there.

Then there's the whole Hamas leaders siphoning off aid to live as billionaires in Qatari palaces while telling Gazans to die, and the numerous prior deaths caused by Hamas rockets in the past.

Presumably a lot of them have been taken in(brainwashed) by Hamas, and well, would you protest Hamas? That sounds like a great way to disappear.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, and I think that's the point many of us are trying to make. Go after the leaders (wherever they are) and maybe don't bomb and kill your average-Ahmad* Palestinian.

* not racist...looked it up and that's the most common name for boys in Gaza.

Again, the "leadership" hide among the average Palestinians, literally setting up shop in and below their homes. (Fully aware lots of them arent even in Gaza as well)

So how do you target them without civilian/collateral damage.

Honest question that has been asked for 2 weeks now, but no one seems to have an answer.

If you believe that Israel has the right to defend itself in wartime, then how do you tell them they cannot attack those responsible for the war because of their location?

Its an impossible situation.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Presumably a lot of them have been taken in(brainwashed) by Hamas, and well, would you protest Hamas? That sounds like a great way to disappear.

I think they are talking about people who are living abroad. For example, you could have a pro-Palestinian march that is also against Hamas.

But yes, within the Gaza Strip having a protest against Hamas is not good for your health. There have been attempts, which Hamas has always brutally put down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47616809

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/w...sts-hamas.html

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-hama...36386ce3709672

Hamas won't only arrest protestors, but they will "raid the homes" of any protestors. You're putting your family at risk too.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The notion that Arab Muslims are hyper-conservative because they’re poor is unfounded. The Saudis and Gulf States have so much money they literally don’t know what to do with it all except buy the most prestigious sports franchises in the world and build luxury mega-hotels. And still they ban pride symbols in the sport stadiums they spent billions on and have adulterers whipped.

And they don't share it with their normal citizens, it's controlled money that only royalty gets to enjoy, Christ, the Saudis behead people for sorcery FFS (like it's a real thing) and hide their indiscretions behind Islam because they're crazy and barbaric enough to put religion in their constitution just for control.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

Where are the Pro-Israeli protests with dumb things happening in the last two weeks?

If you really want to play the one side is as hateful as the other game.

NSFW!

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Again, the "leadership" hide among the average Palestinians, literally setting up shop in and below their homes. (Fully aware lots of them arent even in Gaza as well)

So how do you target them without civilian/collateral damage.

Honest question that has been asked for 2 weeks now, but no one seems to have an answer.

If you believe that Israel has the right to defend itself in wartime, then how do you tell them they cannot attack those responsible for the war because of their location?

Its an impossible situation.

It's not impossible and this has been answered.

It's very difficult. It needs to be done with intelligence (spycraft, that is, not just, like, high-IQ individiuals) and infiltration. Hamas is outgunned and outnumbered. That's obvious and they know that. Hiding amongst the civilian population is a great strategic move on their part.

The obvious/no-brainer reason you don't just start bombing civilians to get the bad guys hiding amongst them is you create more "bad guys" in the process. So yes, I'm fully supportive of Israel's right to defend themselves and - frankly - to get a little revenge/retaliation for the heinous attack on their people and land; however, their current sledge-hammer response is just going to create more problems for Israel (let alone Palestinians) down the road and contribute to global instability. Nobody should be in favour of this approach that makes all of us less safe and causes more bloodshed.

Israel has the difficult and unenviable task of finding Hamas leadership and killing them wherever they are while making overt efforts to limit civilian casualties. They should have done this by utilizing allied support following a sympathetic world immediately post-October 7, an education/propaganda campaign in Gaza to show Palestinians what the attack on Israel looked like, and incentivize Palestinians to share information on Hamas members with Israel and her allies.

Nobody with a brain thinks Hamas was right to attack civilians in Israel.

If you have consistent morals and values, you should be equally against Israel killing civilians in Gaza.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

Where are the Pro-Israeli protests with dumb things happening in the last two weeks?

And don't come back with some isolated incidents years ago of the most extreme groups in Israel that even most Israelis don't support.

Ignorant to the trend.

Did I miss the part that said the 3 arrests in calgary were all pro-palestine? Or is your bigotry showing?

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by Bagor

If you really want to play the one side is as hateful as the other game.

NSFW!

CONGRATS! You found isolated incidents.

Please again address my comment about this being a trend at nearly EVERY pro-Palestine event globally. From Calgary to Toronto to London to Brussels and everywhere else a camera was recording.

Hate exists everywhere. Cherry picking does not make a point. Large scale evidence does.