[Signing] Flames sign Kadri (7 years, $7m AAV)

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My biggest issue with Kadri is he is so disengaged. Here was a guy that when he was in Toronto and Colorado was hated by every other fanbase because he was an insufferable prick. He would constantly be stirring the pot getting under the opposition's skin. Now tell me any time that has happened since signing here. I can't remember a single game where he has played like that. That is his x factor, it is nowhere to be found.

This. 100% this. I honestly didn’t care if he never scored 60 again. If he potted 40-55 points a season WITH the agitation/aggressive side of him, no one bats an eye.

But none at all? I expect more effort and a little more production. Otherwise you’re useless. If he isn’t going to be the “prick” factor we’ve needed since Tkachuk, then it’s gonna be a loooong contract to wait to expire. Makes the Monahan trade even worse, and maddening we didn’t wait a season and go for Domi instead.

[Kidder]

He’s incentivized to go the Vincent Lecavalier route. If he sucks enough quickly he’ll be bought out and can go sign another overvalued contract (Tre again?) in the market of his choosing, and end up making more money ultimately in the long run.

The contract was a huge mistake from day one, but some justified it by saying it gave us a better chance to win the Cup in the Sutter window. Which was then slammed shut.

I really wish NHL didn’t have guaranteed contracts, but then GM’s would be even more dumb I suppose.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kidder

He’s incentivized to go the Vincent Lecavalier route. If he sucks enough quickly he’ll be bought out and can go sign another overvalued contract (Tre again?) in the market of his choosing, and end up making more money ultimately in the long run.

The contract was a huge mistake from day one, but some justified it by saying it gave us a better chance to win the Cup in the Sutter window. Which was then slammed shut.

I really wish NHL didn’t have guaranteed contracts, but then GM’s would be even more dumb I suppose.

I think the whole summer of Brad and keeping the team competitive by trading our 24 year old franchise player for one of the highest scoring forwards over the previous 4 years and a top pairing Dman and then signing the second highest scoring free agent after we lost the highest scoring was full of emotion. Kadri made our center group as deep as it has been in decades and with Sutter, Markstrom, and a top tier blueline this team was set to compete immediately.

The dust has settled and I fear this could be one of the worst positioned franchises in the league. Massive money and term on players not even close to earning their deals.

The guaranteed contract piece is a two way street. On the flip side of guaranteed contracts you would get players who overachieve holding out for more money. Lindholm after 2-3 years of his deal wants to renegotiate for a $8.5M per instead of the $4.85 he signed for.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

This. 100% this. I honestly didn’t care if he never scored 60 again. If he potted 40-55 points a season WITH the agitation/aggressive side of him, no one bats an eye.

But none at all? I expect more effort and a little more production. Otherwise you’re useless. If he isn’t going to be the “prick” factor we’ve needed since Tkachuk, then it’s gonna be a loooong contract to wait to expire. Makes the Monahan trade even worse, and maddening we didn’t wait a season and go for Domi instead.

Brad wanted to save Domi for his new team.

[Erick Estrada]

Boy did Conroy ever inherit a mess. I wonder how much sleep he's getting these days.

[rollie619]

For such a long buyout, it isn't that bad if there's any silver lining.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-c...or/nazem-kadri

Still think a trade at 50 percent to a preferred Kadri destination would be better. (Toronto; Colorado).

BUT I still think he can turn it around.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The cap isn't bad its the length. You are screwing the team with a 10 year cap hit at 2 million to get rid of a guy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The cap isn't bad its the length. You are screwing the team with a 10 year cap hit at 2 million to get rid of a guy.

Yeah, there isn't any point in buying him out unless the Flames are a contender and his cap is an issue

[ComixZone]

As much as we’re harping on this deal, trade it with $2M retained and you probably get something of decent value back. It’s not dire, although having any dead cap space is a blow.

[dustygoon]

Who were some of Kadri's line-mates through the years? He's a player I struggle to imagine who he has chemistry with. If i say puck hog, it sounds harsh, but I mean someone who shoots more than passes. He doesn't really need a set-up man.

Going by his playoff game logs with the Avs on their cup run, he played a lot with Landeskog, Lehkonen, and Rantannen occasionally. We don't have those! But the first two are rambunctious shoot first types like him.

Maybe north/south shooters like Dube, Mangi and Coleman should be considered for linemates and let it stick for a while.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He absolutely is a puck hog one man show.

I think one of his consistent linemates in Colorado was Burakovsky the other I am not sure who the other was.

[Shazam]

Well let's hope he gets better.

[SuperMatt18]

Burakovsky and him played a ton together in Colorado. It was Burakovsky-Kadri-Nichuskin/O'Connor/Compher as his most common linemates. So he was paired with defensively responsible wingers, neither Dube or Coronato provide that at this point.

I see a lot of Sharangovich in Burakovsky. North/South, Great Shot, helps protect Kadri defensively.

Biggest issue is that Dube+Kadri tends to be a defensive nightmare, neither guy are very strong defensively.

I wouldn't mind seeing.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapane
Sharangovich-Kadri-Ruzicka
Greer - Dube - Duehr

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Who were some of Kadri's line-mates through the years? He's a player I struggle to imagine who he has chemistry with. If i say puck hog, it sounds harsh, but I mean someone who shoots more than passes. He doesn't really need a set-up man.

Going by his playoff game logs with the Avs on their cup run, he played a lot with Landeskog, Lehkonen, and Rantannen occasionally. We don't have those! But the first two are rambunctious shoot first types like him.

Maybe north/south shooters like Dube, Mangi and Coleman should be considered for linemates and let it stick for a while.

If we start to breakdown Kadri's most successful offensive seasons, his ES linemates tended to be a combination of north-south skill players and/or muckers.

2021-22: Burakovsky and Nichushkin were primary linemates (>200 mins). Secondary linemates (<200 mins) were Landeskog, Rantanen, Compher, and O'Connor (in that order of ice-time)

2017-18: Marleau and Komarov were primary linemates (>200 mins). Secondary linemates (<200 mins) were Marner and Nylander

2016-17: Komarov, Brown, and Nylander were primary linemates (>200 mins). Secondary linemates (<200 mins) were Marner.

2015-16: Komarov, Grabner, and Van Riemsdyk were primary linemates (>200 mins). Secondary linemates (<200 mins) were Soshnikov and Holland

2012-13: MacArthur, Kulemin, and Komarov were primary linemates (>200 mins). Secondary linemates (<200 mins) were Frattin and Lupul.


Dube fits that North-South mold. Maybe Duehr or Coleman should be manning Kadri's other wing to help create space

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Burakovsky and him played a ton together in Colorado. It was Burakovsky-Kadri-Nichuskin/O'Connor/Compher as his most common linemates. So he was paired with defensively responsible wingers, neither Dube or Coronato provide that at this point.

I see a lot of Sharangovich in Burakovsky. North/South, Great Shot, helps protect Kadri defensively.

Biggest issue is that Dube+Kadri tends to be a defensive nightmare, neither guy are very strong defensively.

I wouldn't mind seeing.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapane
Sharangovich-Kadri-Ruzicka
Greer - Dube - Duehr

Huska has said that about Sharngovich to but he just seems soft for a bigger guy and so does Ruzicka.

Those other two guys are thicker and players a harder game along the boards and in front of the net.

I do feel like Ruzicka is finding his game but they want more from him, and to use his big body more.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My biggest issue with Kadri is he is so disengaged. Here was a guy that when he was in Toronto and Colorado was hated by every other fanbase because he was an insufferable prick. He would constantly be stirring the pot getting under the opposition's skin. Now tell me any time that has happened since signing here. I can't remember a single game where he has played like that. That is his x factor, it is nowhere to be found.

He did for the first dozen or more games of last year. Then he didn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I see a lot of he was our best player for the first half of the season but honestly I never saw that.

It seemed like they found a line with him Dube and Mangipane but his style quickly made them look invisible on his line.

I think his point totals are fine we don't need 87 points from him, would love it but that was never what I expected from him.

I was hoping for a guy would play hard and give fits to guys like McDavid, but after game 2 he just kind of disappeared.

I have heard from people who went to games stuff you don't see on TV like chirping a lot and chriping the refs he kept doing but really its not the refs we need to worry about we need the nasty Kadri who made other teams and fans irate. He was soft.

[Bingo]

Digging into Kadri.

Did he change midway through last season? Work ethic slip?

Clearly looking at expected goals for and against for an individual player could never prove or disprove a player's work ethic, but interesting nonetheless.

It was a heater!

His rolling xGF per game was in the toilet to start the season and actually got better the rest of the season.

Defensively not much difference from the start of the year to the end, but he he had a 10 game improvement after Xmas.

[442scotty]

Never liked him. Used to laugh at the stupid stuff he did in Toronto to kill their playoffs and it was awesome when he went crazy after Gio hit him. Treliving might go down as one of the worst if not the worst GM Calgary has ever had.

[Stanley]

For me Kadri may go down as one of the most unnecessary short-sighted signing in Flames history…

I get that Tre was trying to add grit to replace Chucky with a Stanley cup winner but it just wasn’t a good contract to add to the books at all.

And heck they missed the playoffs anyways so it’s even worse and more pointless now more than ever…