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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

JH last year: Responsible 2-way player but 55 points
"We pay him to be at the barely minimum a PPG player! This is an outrage!"
JH this year: PPG, most shot attempts on the team, involved in offense
"We pay him to not be a giveaway machine and drive the play like our former players!"

Why do I get the sense that Huberdeau will never win with Flames fans at his cap hit, no matter what he does.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

JH last year: Responsible 2-way player but 55 points
"We pay him to be at the barely minimum a PPG player! This is an outrage!"
JH this year: PPG, most shot attempts on the team, involved in offense
"We pay him to not be a giveaway machine and drive the play like our former players!"

Why do I get the sense that Huberdeau will never win with Flames fans at his cap hit, no matter what he does.

I can't imagine why nobody wants to play here lol

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’m leaning this way more and more. Trade him and some other UFAs and pray that you hit on some picks or get a Forsberg/Suzuki return. I don’t think he is the difference in going deep or not.

I think the key is identifying someone Huberdeau can play with. I think Conroy touched on this at the end of last season. He said Johnny G and Huberdeau were different players with different needs.

[GullFoss]

Guys I'm pretty negative on the team and it's franchise cry babies.

But come-on, have some conviction. It's been three games- that's not enough of a sample size. If you thought this team was good and Sutter and his toxic vibes were the problem, give them sometime. Don't give in after three games.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

Yup after the Avs series fans here wanted both Tkachuk and Gaudreau traded. After 3 games Gaudreau isn't exactly making his paycheque with the Blue Jackets.

I don't think Gaudreau will ever be a high impact player again because his priorities have changed since he got married and started a family. I wonder how he did in fitness testing, I bet it was not great because his focus now is in his daughter and his wife and their respective families. That is not me tearing him apart for that, I am just saying being a superstar hockey player is no longer where his focus is now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Johnny was in his early 20's doing this, not at 30 going onto 31 and making 10.5M.

Sorry, but Johnny and Huberdeau are two completely different players one brings people out of his seats even when the team was struggling.

This is why you never give your money to the French.

[Locke]

What it would be like to watch Tanguay and Huberdeau on the same line.

"You take it! No! You take it! No!! You take it! Okay we'll both give it away!"

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I think the key is identifying someone Huberdeau can play with. I think Conroy touched on this at the end of last season. He said Johnny G and Huberdeau were different players with different needs.

I bet he would play awesome with Konecny.

Speedy winger that could help with carrying the puck up the ice and would take a lot of the pressure off of Huberdeau.

Only problem would be acquiring him lol.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I bet he would play awesome with Konecny.

Speedy winger that could help with carrying the puck up the ice and would take a lot of the pressure off of Huberdeau.

Only problem would be acquiring him lol.

Let’s see how this season plays out. Plus, if we were to acquire someone it would need to be a center.

Don’t want Coronato’s spot taken. I truly think he’s our answer to the 1st line RW.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Leads the team in scoring chances
Leads the team in HD scoring chances
Leads the team in shots
Thrown a couple massive hits
Positive chances vs chances against numbers
PPG

Seems to be headed in the right direction??

What's the point of hating on him because he sucked last season? Pat is correct, confirmation bias. The contract is already done no point in crying about it....I would rather have an 8M player for 10.5M than a 3M player for 10.5.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk chose to leave! If you want to blame someone blame them don't just hate on Huberdeau for signing a contract.

Steinberg is the biggest defender and apologist for most things Flames related, especially the players, as that's basically his job - especially on Overtime. But I think it's pretty clear from 82 games last season and a small sample size this year that Huberdeau isn't showing those dynamic qualities we heard about in Florida. Will that change? Maybe. I really hope so, but I'm growing more and more skeptical.

Having a $10.5M player that seemingly can't take over a game or stir the drink on his line is the issue here. Hopefully he can turn up the intensity and get back to the player he used to be, because otherwise it's just going to lend itself to keeping the Flames mired in mediocrity and that's the thing that has me (and likely others) frustrated. That's without even getting into it about Kadri's performance/contract and the looming Lindholm situation which could saddle us with another albatross contract.

I just don't think people are "hating on" Huberdeau or his contract just to do it, it's because all of these things are connected and I for one don't have a clue what this organization is planning to do for the next 2-5 years and it's frustrating. Especially given how competitive we were just two seasons ago with a prime-aged core.

[dino7c]

posting actual stats is being an apologist...maybe bias is an issue

the contract is the contract...he isn't going to play better or worse based on how much money him makes that night. The guy who signed it is in Toronto, we can beat a dead horse every single day for eight years or
we can admit that he has been one of the Flames best forwards and hope he continues to trend upwards

and

"prime aged core" Tkachuk yes, Gaudreau is 30
the rest of the Flames team is younger than 2 years ago

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by dino7c

posting actual stats is being an apologist...maybe bias is an issue

the contract is the contract...he isn't going to play better or worse based on how much money him makes that night. The guy who signed it is in Toronto, we can beat a dead horse every single day for eight years or
we can admit that he has been one of the Flames best forwards and hope he continues to trend upwards

and

"prime aged core" Tkachuk yes, Gaudreau is 30
the rest of the Flames team is younger than 2 years ago

You should post less

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Chonger

You should post less

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okay tapatalk

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

posting actual stats is being an apologist...maybe bias is an issue

the contract is the contract...he isn't going to play better or worse based on how much money him makes that night. The guy who signed it is in Toronto, we can beat a dead horse every single day for eight years or
we can admit that he has been one of the Flames best forwards and hope he continues to trend upwards

and

"prime aged core" Tkachuk yes, Gaudreau is 30
the rest of the Flames team is younger than 2 years ago

Its funny to read the same posters who cry about Huberdeau and sitting upset that Sutter got canned are not placing the blame on the person who is the reason behind this.

Tkachuk is 24 you picked a coach with a shelf life of 2 years over him.

Edwards wanted his buddy back, and his style just isn't going to mesh with todays star player especially a Matthew Tkachuk.

You cry about Huberdeau all you want, but he didn't ask for a trade. He came here with the right attitude and has tried to make it work from day 1, it doesn't make him a bum far from it as his history shows.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Its funny to read the same posters who cry about Huberdeau and sitting upset that Sutter got canned are not placing the blame on the person who is the reason behind this.

Tkachuk is 24 you picked a coach with a shelf life of 2 years over him.

Edwards wanted his buddy back, and his style just isn't going to mesh with todays star player especially a Matthew Tkachuk.

You cry about Huberdeau all you want, but he didn't ask for a trade. He came here with the right attitude and has tried to make it work from day 1, it doesn't make him a bum far from it as his history shows.

This is what kills me with the Huberdeau hate.

He never asked for the trade(that was Tkachuk who all the Huberdeau detractors all still love) or for the Flames to not commit to a re-build (that's Edwards).

It's not that he's been pouty or hasn't been working hard - even though he had his differences with Sutter he worked hard on the ice and has 100% been committed to playing a better defensive game.

Really his issue has been confidence and making plays...but it's not for a lack of effort or a bad attitude.

The guy was blind sided with a trade here, still agreed to commit for 8 years, and has been great as an ambassador and champion for the team.

But let's hate on him and not even give him a real chance at redeeming himself because of things that were all out of his control.

[1qqaaz]

I hardly see any posts criticizing Huberdeau. Kadri, on the other hand...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I hardly see any posts criticizing Huberdeau. Kadri, on the other hand...

C’mon. Kadri gets a lot. But Huberdeau gets pretty much as much

[Hockey_Ninja]

Kadri and Hubredeau definitely have gotten the most hate in this thread. Tbh Lindholm didn’t look great either this game. I really hope the Flames trade him and don’t give him a 9.5x8 contract

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by dino7c

posting actual stats is being an apologist...maybe bias is an issue

the contract is the contract...he isn't going to play better or worse based on how much money him makes that night. The guy who signed it is in Toronto, we can beat a dead horse every single day for eight years or
we can admit that he has been one of the Flames best forwards and hope he continues to trend upwards

and

"prime aged core" Tkachuk yes, Gaudreau is 30
the rest of the Flames team is younger than 2 years ago

How old was Gaudreau 2 years ago? 28? Sounds pretty "prime" to me. Anyway yeah the contract is the contract.. and I'm saying the contract is no good especially in combination with Kadri contract and the situation with Lindholm. It's Tre's fault for signing the contracts but it's the players fault for not playing better.. I think that's fair, no?

And I've posted about this a handful of times, hardly beating a dead horse but I guess that's your own bias showing. Anyway I'm gonna leave this alone now, its a PGT thread I shouldn't have taken the bait, sorry to derail. Hoping for more from Huberdeau and Kadri as the new core of this team that's all.